[cosmiccartel]

To your first point, all I can say is that I doubt it. I see a lot of moderate liberals becoming more conservative. It's anecdotal, of course, but it's everywhere.

> the best way to describe what you call conversion of liberals is radicalization of the youth

That might be accurate if Shapiro or Peterson were radical conservatives. Both fall squarely into the "social liberal" category.

[wilsonnb]

You're right, radicalization isn't the right word.

Indoctrination is a better word choice for how I feel about it.