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by sah2ed
2962 days ago
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> There’s no government at all without politics. That's a pretty loaded statement that I disagree with because it presupposes that man has only being organizing his affairs for centuries when we both know that mankind has existed for thousands of years. Anyway, there's a real risk of talking past each other, so I'll be upfront by saying that government can be totally independent of politics -- politics is merely a means to an end and that end is governance. How did mankind manage its affairs prior to politicking and modern-day electoral contests (democracy)? Monarchies [0]. What I believe you are arguing for via politicking is representative leadership [1], which only became a thing in the 17th century. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_history_of_the_world [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Representative_democracy |
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I'm not sure what assumptions you're making here. Governance and politics have both existed for many many millennia, roughly as long as language has existed I'd wager.
> I'll be upfront by saying that government can be totally independent of politics
I disagree completely. The definition of the word politics is activities associated with governance. That was my point above. You're choosing to focus on a narrow and negative interpretation, and not the primary meaning of the word.
politics:noun
the activities associated with the governance of a country or other area
the activities of governments concerning the political relations between countries.
the academic study of government and the state.
https://www.google.com/search?q=politics
> How did mankind manage its affairs prior to politicking?
There is no such thing, and there never was. Politicking is the word for persuading others to join together to achieve things not possible as individuals.
I acknowledge that politicking is sometimes also used to mean grift and power grabbing and other things. But using it that way is a choice, and it doesn't represent all possible politics. In my opinion, it also doesn't represent anything close to a majority of politics either. Most politics that occur are necessary and benign or good, and only a minority are the type you're worried about.