[ProfessorLayton]

The question is what is CA going to do when its municipalities indirectly cap GDP via their terrible housing policies. The entire state is under a slow boil by NIMBYism that will eventually choke its otherwise impressive economy.

[nradov]

I'm not a NIMBY myself, but most of them would claim that preserving quality of life for existing residents is more important than maximizing GDP or making space for newcomers. If you want to improve housing policies then you'll have to find a way to counteract those objections.

[2009mobile]

Counterpoint: as a gay Californian (and a SF homeowner to boot), I strongly identify as a YIMBY.

Aside from selfishly wanting room for more local colleagues at my startup, it's my mission in life to preserve California as a refuge for persecuted LGBT people across the country. The best way to do that is to build more housing and stabilize rents, not to block sorely-needed high-density housing because there used be a historic gay bar there 50 years ago that few will remember.

[rak00n]

How about existing residents who rent in CA cities? Your argument doesn't stand.

[nradov]

Very few of the hard-core NIMBYs are renters. My argument still stands.

[twiceaday]

Homeowners and renters are affected by these policies differently, often in opposite ways. That's the point. Obviously these NIMBYs are homeowners because their position grossly favors existing homeowners. Mortgage payments are not affected by a constant influx of new people but rent prices are. Stalling is a win for one side only. Anybody can wish for "preserving quality of life." But while they are wishing homeowners are reaping all of the benefits and renters are getting screwed.

[true_religion]

I would be very surprised if there were more homeowners than renters in cities, and if there were---then what we have is democracy at work.

Consequently, I believe that many renters simply aren't participating in the political process or are strangely voting against their obvious interests.

The YIMBY platform will work because the majority of people will benefit from it, but need organization to actually get to the polling booths and participate in lobbying.

[deanmoriarty]

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