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by Circumnavigate 2973 days ago
5th largest in the world and yet where is all of the money going? California is in a huge deficit.
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California has a high amount of debt, particularly per household, when compared to (some) other U.S. states. However, the last few years under governor Brown have led to a budget surplus for those years, which is commonly attributed to the tax hikes of Proposition 30, among better spending decisions.

We're looking at a pretty substantial surplus for this year's budget, which will be finalized in June, and lawmakers have different ideas about what to do with it. Governor Brown wants to put it in the rainy day fund, conservatives largely want to enact tax relief for some Californians, and the state's liberal politicians largely want to spend it on other things.

Personally, I'd like if California used at least the bulk of it to pay down some of our unfunded liabilities with regards to pension programs, of which we still have about $275 billion (of over $400 billion in total debt). There are plans to take care of these over the next 3 decades, but settling it a bit earlier never hurt.

Exactly. Fund the existing pension liabilities now while money is relatively cheap. Then transition all state employees to defined contribution retirement plans going forward so that it will be closer become impossible to ever have underfunded pension plans in the future.

  the last few years under governor Brown have led to a budget surplus for those years
no, it wasn't a surplus. 2017 showed a $1.6 Billion deficit[0].

[0] http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-sac-jerry-brown-budge...

You're right -- due to some (must-have-been-pretty-awful) miscalculations about the cost of a certain program that pushed it into deficit territory. My mistake! I was also considering 2017 as this year since a budget spans two years.

For completeness, CA roughly carried a deficit from '02-'03 to '12-'13, and then roughly a surplus from '13-'14 onwards, except for 2017.

Your data is a bit out of date. California has a surplus now.

There is an underfunded pension but the payments aren't due for many years in the future.

  California has a surplus now.
What budget year are you talking about, where an actual surplus was evident when the budget year closed?

Projections are just projections and can be seriously wrong. A projected $2.8 billion surplus[0] quickly changed to being a $1.6 billion deficit[1].

[0] https://www.scpr.org/news/2016/11/17/66216/california-analys...

[1] http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-sac-jerry-brown-budge...

Your links are from Jan 2017. Those were projections. 2017-2018 was $6bn budget surplus on top a $8bn rainy day fund. Here's the WSJ link from Jan 2018

https://www.wsj.com/articles/jerry-browns-legacy-a-6-1-billi...

California currently has a rainy day fund of $8 billion and a current budget surplus of $6.1 billion.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/jerry-browns-legacy-a-6-1-billi...

To landlords, mostly. If you look at the numbers, the deficit has mostly shrunk after some truly huge ones.
Interesting - this article seems to say the opposite:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/jerry-browns-legacy-a-6-1-billi...

Not even close to as bad as the world's largest economy and their deficit.
UK has a huge deficit too. Most highly developed countries do.
Countries have the power to print money. California does not.
Euro countries don't either.
UK is not in the eurozone
I know, but GP also mentioned "most highly developed countries", and parent replied in the plural.
The US government doesn’t care about deficits, so it would seem.
This is not the US government's debt. It is debt belonging to the State of California. And California certainly does care about deficits. States do not have the same leeway handling their indebtedness that the federal government does.
California budget deficit: $1.6 billion

California GDP: $2.7 trillion

I think California will be fine.

Where do you come up with a $1.6 billion deficit? There is currently a $6.1 billion surplus, which actually understates the strength of the budget, given debt deleveraging.
"Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen nineteen and six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds ought and six, result misery."

(Though, in the end, I agree with you.)

There's really no sensible comparison between an individual on a fixed income versus a sovereign with taxing authority.