[vinceguidry]

No solution means not telling these people at all that their ideas aren't going to get them anywhere and letting them fester in their hatred. I agree that it could be done without the vitriol. Not entirely sure how, but I agree in theory that it's possible.

But objectively speaking, the incel viewpoint is more caustic than the common reaction to it. I'm not saying that people who identify as incels deserve it, but they really oughta know better.

This is essentially modern heresy in action. Social cohesion is far more important than both your obstinacy and your problems, and if you persist, we will burn your ass at the stake. It's ugly, it's sad, we wish we didn't have to do it, but it reflects the reality of society.

[gus_massa]

> This is essentially modern heresy in action. Social cohesion is far more important than both your obstinacy and your problems, and if you persist, we will burn your ass at the stake. It's ugly, it's sad, we wish we didn't have to do it, but it reflects the reality of society.

The "social cohesion" argument is too wide. It could have been applied in the past for example to suppress the women suffrage movement. What was more important the women suffrage or the social cohesion of the 1900 society? I like the women suffrage and I dislike the incel viewpoint, but I don't understand how can you apply the self censorship or get burn argument only to the things that you dislike.

[vinceguidry]

There's no ultimate morality here, only people fighting to make their views the orthodox ones. Heretics fight against a force much bigger than them. If they want to be taken seriously, they need to take the next step and form a rebellion, get other people on their side.

This is even more serious than heresy, this is called apostasy. Apostates don't get stoned by their peers, they get crucified by the army. But sometimes civil war is necessary to improve the morality of society. Suffrage was one of those times.

It's the common people that adhere to the orthodoxy that does the burning. Not the censors or the inquisition, who had bigger fish to fry. You won't find me out there tarring and feathering incels.

I'm actually somewhat sympathetic to their viewpoint. What I'm not sympathetic at all to is their stubborn obstinacy. Feminism is more important than your sexual satisfaction.

The answer to the incel situation is sex positivism. There is no holy war needed here. Sex positivism is an orthodox solution. The heretics just need to come back to Jesus.

[GCU-Empiricist]

>Social cohesion is far more important than both your obstinacy and your problems, and if you persist, we will burn your ass at the stake. It's ugly, it's sad, we wish we didn't have to do it, but it reflects the reality of society.

Wow, How do I make sure I never interact with your "society"? To me this attitude is strait out of Orwell and Huxley?

[vinceguidry]

You realize I didn't invent society, right? And never need interact with it if you don't preach heresy.