[ItsMe000001]

> Life doesn't solve "problems" though

Wait, what? Biological systems are not solving problems? It does so all the time! Seriously?

> it just creates random order from chaos.

You get that with just physics, on a large scale for example the formation of galaxies and stars, or when things self-sort by weight in a gravity field (heavy stuff goes to bottom of a solution, lighter stuff goes to the top).

[ThomPete]

I think he ment life in a broader perspective (i.e. evolution) not conscious and aware biological systems as in humans.

I would argue that very few biological systems solve problems, what they do is serve a function which has been dictated by evolution.

But at no point is there any purposeful act of solving problems just like your genes aren't selfish they just behave as if they are.

[SanityIsRare]

No, they don't solve problems, it's just natural selection in an environment with lots of randomness.

Life didn't even start out by solving problems, as I said: random order from chaos. Life doesn't care about solving problems, it's just collection of random matter.

Given enough random matter, you are destined to get some with odd properties in right conditions that can also spiral out of control to create something like a human.

[ItsMe000001]

> No, they don't solve problems,

Of course they do. Being alive presents all kinds of problems. I mean, seriously man... I don't understand the things you write, really strange stuff, I'm at a loss.

[SanityIsRare]

Life didn't start out because it had the problem of not being a thing.

Can it still be considered "problem-solving" when the so-called "problems" are only so in the context of animal survival and breeding from the perspective of animal consciousness? Life just randomly grows and takes on random shapes, it's not a force of problem-solving.

[jacobush]

Yet, here we are, solving problems.

[SanityIsRare]

You are not life, you are a human, a lifeform - product of life.

[SanityIsRare]

Life would extinguish itself if it was the force of problem-solving, because that would ultimately solve all the problems.

I don't know how can you create a problem-solving force from an environment where none exists. You can only create forces of chaos from such an environment.