[rhapsodic]

>It's an opinion that makes it very hard to work with you, if I were a woman or minority. I wouldn't want you to review my code, wondering if you think I'm competent or if I'm an entitled person benefiting from unfair "advantages that have been heaped upon" me.

So you're assuming because of my opinion, I would not treat you fairly?

Of course! Anyone who deviates from the SJW line is de facto a bad person! There's no need for logic and reasoning when you deal with people like me! Just cast aspersions on my character and signal your virtue to the rest of your tribe!

[dang]

You've broken the HN guidelines several times in this thread, but egregiously here. You're not assuming good faith, are name-calling, and are not responding to the strongest plausible interpretation of what the other person said. Could you please read https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and abide by them?

It's bad enough that the community is as divided as it is around these issues. Users need to respect the rules for HN to survive as a place for thoughtful discussion.

[chickenfries]

I regret answering. If you're not going to engage in good faith, but instead go on some tired diatribe about tribalism, then what hope do we have for understanding each other? You claim that you want to have a discussion, but then you strawman me like that. The irony of you complaining about "tribes" while you label everyone who disagrees with you an SJW...

EDIT:

> So you're assuming because of my opinion, I would not treat you fairly?

I'm assuming because of your opinion that you might misjudge me as a token minority, underserving of my position, perhaps because you catch me on an off day, or because you judge me to be an SJW because of the way I act. You're only human, and we all are susceptible to misjudgment, stereotyping, etc. It's just the human condition.

> Anyone who deviates from the SJW line is de facto a bad person!

To be clear, I didn't respond to you because I think you're a bad person, because I don't, and I don't know you. I responded because I have some vague hope that mutual understanding can be had on the internet through discussion. But responses like this make me feel like a fool for having hope.

[red75prime]

Special treatment of some group always (almost always, children and some other groups are treated differently and it feels OK) triggers the feeling of unfairness and raises concerns about objectivity of testing process.

> You're only human, and we all are susceptible to misjudgment, stereotyping, etc.

Yes, double-blind trials were invented to prevent an experimenter from nudging results in a desired direction. In the case of increasing diversity, the desired direction is explicitly specified and encouraged.

[rhapsodic]

My ability to answer you has been hobbled by the moderator's warning, so I'd rather not answer at all. Have a nice day.

[chickenfries]

It seems you are allowed to respond, just in a civil way that follows the established guidelines

[rhapsodic]

Do you agree with the actions of Coraline Ada Ehmke here:

https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/941

Someone, on their personal twitter account, made a remark that Coraline Ada Ehmke found offensive. Coraline noticed that he was a contributor to the Opal project. So Coraline opened an issue on the project, called him an ugly name, and petitioned to have him removed from the project.

I will not quietly submit to bossy bullies like Coraline Ada Ehmke, and I will defend the victims of Coraline Ada Ehmke.

What say you, chickenfries?

[GiorgioG]

Yep - or how about this nonsense:

https://twitter.com/sarahmei/status/990265064866308096?s=20

(I bought the book even though I'm not a Java developer just to support the author(s))

[CoralineAda]

https://where.coraline.codes/blog/on-opalgate/

[chickenfries]

You seem incapable of discussing the issues without trying to hold me accountable for people that I have nothing to do with. You talk about disliking tribalism, but you can’t discuss with me without going off topic and trying to make me accountable for people I haven’t mentioned. Do you not see how you’re behaving in a tribalistic way now?

[rhapsodic]

>You seem incapable of discussing the issues without trying to hold me accountable for people that I have nothing to do with.

Hold you accountable... how? I asked if you agree or not with those actions. Or, like me, do you find them reprehensible? It's very relevant to FOSS project CoCs, which is what this post is mainly about.

>You talk about disliking tribalism,

Uh, I made reference to you signalling to your tribe, but you should not assume from that that I dislike tribalism.

>Do you not see how you’re behaving in a tribalistic way now?

Not really, but if I am, I'm not embarrassed by it.

Do you think the referenced actions of Coraline Ada Ehmke were proper in the context of an open source project? If you do, I won't "hold you accountable" for those actions, whatever that means. My purpose in bringing it into the discussion is to illustrate what these CoCs are really about. They're about defining which political opinions will be permitted to be expressed, and which ones will bring wrath down on the heads of those expressing them.