[announcerman]

Universal healthcare is not a silver bullet, in certain Eastern European Countries we pay a large amount of our salary in taxes so that we have universal healthcare and yet you still have to give "gifts" to every nurse and doctor that treats you unless you want the bare minimum treatment and care. Doctors can also intentionally botch surgeries if you fail to pay up. Not so much that it can be called malpraxis though.

[js2]

Obviously corruption can undermine any system. I assume in those countries the corruption extends to areas other than healthcare as well.

[Daishiman]

And you think private health care is going to make that better?

That's not an argument against public health care.

[delinka]

How can a surgery be "botched" but not be malpractice?

[shawabawa3]

Simple, there were "complications" caused by "x, y, z". which is all totally legit, except it's all made up and unverified due to rampant corruption

[freeone3000]

We've managed to exactly formalize this system, and yet somehow it's viewed as less bad because it's an industry. America has managed to legitimize corruption.

[fulafel]

How big are the bribes compared to co-pays or ER bills in the US?

[dagenleg]

Why countries specifically?