[jmull]

I'm not a vegetarian, BTW.

I'm sure you'll appreciate the chance to adjust your own mental heuristics. ;)

I'm just pointing out there are vegetarian dishes I enjoy every bit as much as a fat juicy steak, but not anything created and marketed as a meat substitute. I mention it because reasonable people can come to the conclusion that products created as animal food product substitutes are the best way to ease into eating a more vegetarian diet. But as far as I can tell that's not true.

[ummonk]

>I'm just pointing out there are vegetarian dishes I enjoy every bit as much as a fat juicy steak, but not anything created and marketed as a meat substitute.

Yup. Not a vegetarian and I feel the same way.

[MR4D]

Ditto.

I also don’t like anything peddled as a fake fruit or vegetable. (Ok, never had the latter, but fake fruit juice abounds. )