[holydude]

I did in Norway :-).

Seriously picking a car industry which is and always had been different in the US than in Eu is a shitty example to prove a point. If it would not be for your liberal americans throwing billions at your german cars they would be nothing compared to what they are now. Ever been to SK ? How many non korean cars have you seen ?

The entire IT industry dwarfs everything Europe has or will have in the next decades and still it is just a fraction of the US of A produces or trades with the world.

Besides Germany is your China of europe dumping shit to weaker markets en masse. Just looking at the list of largest german companies gives you a hint of how Germany really operates.

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> Seriously picking a car industry which is and always had been different in the US than in Eu is a shitty example to prove a point. (etc)

I'm not trying to "prove a point". You asked for an example ("Where and how are the german companies beating the US ?") and I gave you one: German car companies are beating american car companies in the us.

So before you change the subject into china, south korea, the IT industry, weaker markets, mass production, and so on and on, can you first acknowledge that you asked for an example of German companies beating american ones, and I gave you exactly one such example?

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[holydude]

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[dang]

You violated the site guidelines badly more than once in this wretched flamewar. That's bad, and we ban accounts that do this. We've also had to warn you before about this.

Would you please (re-)read https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and use the site only as intended from now on? The rules are the way they are because we don't want this community to destroy itself. If it's valuable enough for you to participate in, it's valuable enough for you to help preserve it. Helping to wreck it is incongruent, and I'm sure you're not doing that intentionally, but unfortunately the effects are the same, and we have to moderate by effects (not intent, which we don't have direct access to).

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> I'm sure you're not doing that intentionally

And I'm sure that you know that is not true. You can't possibly believe that someone who says "but what can i expect from a german" does not know exactly the effect he will provoke on the other person.

[dang]

The capacity to not see something like that goes orders of magnitude further than you'd expect. That's one thing I've learned from moderating HN: nearly all abuse, including what you'd swear is outright trolling, is unconscious and unintentional. Any vague awareness that one is doing it is accompanied by the righteous feeling that the other person has done much worse; which is another variant of self-deception.

I'd even say that in their trivial way, these internet forum dynamics are connected to the causes of violence and war. If that's true, it has an interesting consequence: internet forums are an opportunity—trivial, yes, but therefore also safe—to work on the sources of violence and war in oneself.