[j_baker]

There will probably be a lot of people who will disagree with me on this, but here I go anyway: I think self control and discipline are overrated. Some of my best work has come out of me being distracted and unfocused.

I generally find that it's better to indulge my lack of focus in a controlled manner than it is to try fighting it.

[Quiark]

What kind of work was it? Something highly creative? EDIT: those who upvoted as "me too" can answer too.

[knowledgesale]

I think that he isn't going to answer. He has got distracted.

[j_baker]

Funny. But for the record, HN is the distraction. Therefore, I would be distracted if I did respond. :-)

[Hexstream]

And you did...

[j_baker]

I suppose you could say that. I guess maybe the two things are related. :-)

[aik]

I agree, creativity and freedom to do what you feel/want are very connected. However, if the project is large enough, self-control and discipline is required to turn that project into something great, especially for entrepreneurs who wear many hats.

[greg_holsclaw]

I agree. Creative and brilliant ideas can come at anytime, but putting in the work to get those ideas to market, or to polish them off until presentable to outsiders is where the disciple comes in.

I can wake up in the middle of the night with a great idea to improve a UI workflow, or to squeeze more performance out of a process, but if my disciple doesn't kick and I write the code to get it done,

Also it doesn't take intelligence to makes sure my Press page, About page and Resume stay current, it just takes discipline.

All of my prior jobs have been given to me based on my completed portfolio projects, not on my great ideas. And numerous co-workers have been let go because their brilliance never results in 'finished' projects.

[jordan0day]

I see your point, but how much of that work lasted longer than [arbitrary unit of time]?

While I can see bursts of undirected creativity stimulating small, quick discoveries, anything that takes longer than, say, a week (probably more like a day), just doesn't seem achievable.

Then again, you said your "best work", not biggest. I suppose those are actually be mutually exclusive in many cases.

[_delirium]

Not the person you're replying to, but I often find my "best work" to be undirected side projects as well, but you're right that it tends to be something that can at least be prototyped in a week. If it can't go from idea-germination to some useful checkpoint in a week, and it's not what I'm officially "supposed" to be working on, it'll tend to get abandoned partly done.

The stuff that can be finished in a week often feels like my best work, though, at least intellectually (and you can get a good amount done in a week if you're excited about it). The week-long side projects tend to have more novelty, which sometimes even results in more impactful published papers: you're proposing the first X to do Y, and you have a working system to boot (in academia not always required, but a nice plus if you have it).

My biggest projects tend to require some focus and months, but they tend to be more of the grind variety. Take that initial prototype, either one I've produced or one someone else has published, and build a Real System on it, working out all the details, including engineering and theory as appropriate.

[jordan0day]

Yeah, I think I came to the realization as I was finishing my post above that for most people, "best" and "biggest" really are incompatible, for precisely the reasons you mention. Once a project becomes sufficiently large, it can become a grind to work on; additionally, the scope is inevitably bigger, which means even more work to make sure it's hitting on all cylinders.

A small, quick project that does just one thing well is probably a lot easier to see as your "best" because there's just fewer edge cases for you to say "boy, I wish I would have done it this other way..."

[j_baker]

Actually, I would say that my "biggest" work is my best work. It might not be as pretty, but there's little more satisfying than coming up with a good solution to a complex problem.

Generally speaking, my approach to programming is more trial and error than organized and methodical. But then again, my work style doesn't work in all situations nor does it work for everyone else. I'm generally better at starting a project than finishing one. However, just like some projects take longer to finish than others, some projects take longer to start than others. So I I don't think that time is terribly pertinent.

With that in mind, a certain amount of distractibility is a blessing for me. If something distracts me, that means it will distract whoever is finishing a project. Therefore, it's important to address those distractions ahead of time.

[bitwize]

I know exactly what you mean. Sometimes if I just let my mind wander I come up with the most amazing insights and then I have to--SQUIRREL!!!!

[jlgbecom]

That's the best way to come up with ideas. But at some point you have to implement them, and that's where discipline comes in.