[pmlnr]

Devs are not the problem, especially not the amount of them. Google has so many devs, sure, maybe that's why we now have 7 messaging app from them...

The tools for the open web are present, just check https//indieweb.org

Comformist, lazy people, our own friends, are the problem. I'd love to see how to make them care.

[groby_b]

I'd start by not calling your own friends "conformist" and "lazy". And instead, try to understand where they come from.

We won't solve problems by shouting at each other.

[pmlnr]

I lost contact with many people because none of them respected me constantly asking to keep in touch outside of facebook - email, for example.

I don't have lighter words, even if I consider them friends.

Moving on from grammar and culture (in my read, I wasn't offensive, merely stated a fact), what actual solutions, proposals, ideas, can you contribute?

[s73v3r_]

This idea that "merely stating a fact" means you can't be offensive is part of the problem. Your original statement was pretty insulting and offensive, no matter how true you believe it was. If you want to change things, culture is a huge part of achieving that, and being able to express these concerns without being insulting to other people like that is a huge part of it.

[pmlnr]

I've tried to run platforms for people, Movim, Diaspora, Buddycloud, a lot of things, nobody was interested, because it's simpler to stay on facebook, because it's convenient, and because running a website is a lot of work - these are actual responses I got.

They are lazy, that's the sad truth.

[s73v3r_]

How did you sell those platforms to them? How did you explain that they're better than Facebook? And, given that all the people they want to talk to are already on Facebook, why should they go off to this thing they've never heard of, that they're going to have to administer, which doesn't have any of the people they want to talk to.

It's not that any of them are lazy. They simply have other priorities for what to do with their time, and other priorities for how a social network should work. To them, those alternatives don't provide the value that Facebook provides to them.

If you want to convince others to not use Facebook, I highly suggest you not fall into the trap of deciding that people who don't share your priorities are "lazy".

[groby_b]

Culture is the issue. The long standing Internet tradition of "I didn't intend to be offensive, so it's fine that I was, and I should continue to be" is at the root of the entire problem.

Most people don't care for that kind of environment. And so we splinter, and wall off. We're using technological restrictions as a substitute for cultural norms. And so, my original statement still stands - if you want to change the situations, change what your norms are, and influence global norms that way.

[pmlnr]

So... how and what do you propose to reach people who keep using walled gardens, despite what's known about them, and that they even have people trying to get them to used something else?

[mosdave]

I don't think he was shouting.

What words do you use to categorize/describe your lazy conformist friends?