[Guthur]

I really feel the is some what of a confirmation bias with these statements from Haskell users. They have spent so much effort into mapping problems to cat type theory that it becomes hard to approach a problem from any other direction.

Edit I don't mean this as an insult. I see it with a friend of mine who struggles with problem solving when not mapping to cat types

[icc97]

> I see it with a friend of mine who struggles with problem solving when not mapping to cat types

Yes, I remember a Dan Luu and another developer talking about something similar. The concepts like currying, composition and monads all work so smoothly in Haskell that you want to try to get them to work in other languages. It can make your code in those other languages worse because you're trying to get the language to do something it's not designed to do.

Further to that though then no one understands what you've written.

This is what Dan Luu said [0]:

> One was that I really got into functional programming and used a functional style everywhere I could. Immutability, higher-order X for any possible value of X, etc. The result was code that I could write and modify quickly that was incomprehensible to anyone but a couple of coworkers who were also into functional programming.

[0]: https://danluu.com/learning-to-program/

[tathougies]

I know nothing about category theory. I honestly have never studied it, and don’t plan to. As far as I know, aside from the typical Haskell type classes who people say are based on category theory, beam doesn’t use any esoteric concepts. It is definitely an exercise in engineeeing, not theory.

Beam is based on the relational algebra, which is the basis of SQL. Of course, it doesn’t enable a monkey to write database queries, but it does enable engineers who understand relational algebra to do so.

If your complaint is that you have to understand relational algebra to use a relational database, then your complaint is well out of the scope of beams domain.

Also, I have no idea what you mean about your friend. We can play the personal anecdote game all day long. When I was a JavaScript developer, I saw my fellow devs constantly testing for invariants that would be trivial with Haskell. We use JavaScript at work now too and they access our database indecently. Their queries do not enjoy the advantages beam provides and we’ll be switching to using a Haskell backend service soon instead

[Guthur]

Not sure how you would draw anything about relational algebra from my statement. I love SQL and it's relationship to relational algebra. My only major complaint with sql is the difficulty in being done DRY principles. I like its declarative nature and immediacy when you have a database connection, which is possibly related to what I like about good dynamically type language environments