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by smokeyj 2984 days ago
Do UBI supporters intentionally not understand supply and demand?

Who wants to work at a restaurant if they don’t have to? Who will lay bricks and take out the trash if they don’t have to? The idea that UBi can help people find fulfilling work leads to the question of who does the unfulfilling work.
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dx034 2984 days ago
In Europe, you already have some sort of UBI in most states. While it's often required that you actively look for a job, it isn't hard to get companies not to hire you. And yet, most people are actively looking for work. Because sitting at home all day for years is often worse than doing a menial job.

As a side note, working in a restaurant doesn't have to be a bad job. In the US it's often associated with low pay but there are a lot of people actually enjoying it (I know some).

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magduf 2984 days ago
Do UBI haters intentionally not understand wanting to have a better life?

People will work at a restaurant if they don't have to so they can afford a place without crappy roommates, or in a better part of town. It's really that simple. You work, even at a crappy job, and now you have more money than you get with the UBI alone. Is this really such a hard concept for you?

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smokeyj 2984 days ago
> and now you have more money than you get with the UBI alone.

And so does everyone else. Prices will reflect that.

> Is this really such a hard concept for you?

Yes, what's so hard about supply and demand? Housing costs too much? Increase supply. Healthcare costs too much? Increase supply. Education costs too much? Increase supply.

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here. It's all really simple. If you want the price to go down increase supply. I'm not saying it's easy - but nothing else will work. Redistributing costs more energy than is gained. If you want to help those in need, increase supply.

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magduf 2984 days ago
Ok, and WTF do you do for people who can't work, or aren't in a position to get a job, or simply cannot afford things at the prices they're at? You're never going to have free housing and food. That's why we have welfare systems, and that's what UBI aims to improve.

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here. It's all really simple. Welfare exists for a reason, even if people like you refuse to believe this.

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smokeyj 2980 days ago
> Ok, and WTF do you do for people who can't work, or aren't in a position to get a job

Make jobs that increase supply, and give some of that supply to those who can't work. China is building new cities from scratch, why not do that given the scope of UBI as an initiative?

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