[ique]

Hahaha really HN? As a Swede this is so ridiculous, I don't think the author has any idea what they're talking about and have done no fact-checking at all. They even contradict themselves.

> drop in homicides has been, however, far smaller in Sweden than in neighboring countries

So there's been a drop in homicides

> Shootings in the country have become so common

But shootings have _become_ so common? So they're just missing more or what?

What a ridiculous article, I guess HN is the new Fox news.

[specializeded]

HN is a link aggregator and this link will probably be flagged off the front page in less than ten minutes, I’d direct ire at Politico in this case.

edit less than 1 minute apparently!

[dogma1138]

Politico, Economist, The Spectstor all have simmilar articles with the same statistics either they are all “fake news” or something is going on.

[maxerickson]

If you are talking about https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/02/violent-crime-in-sweden-...

It was written by the same person as this story and is time stamped about a month before the Economist piece (they anon). But the articles don't particularly seem to be independent phenomena.

[dogma1138]

It seems to be the same journalist (this isn't that uncommon) but she doesn't appear to be the swedish Alex Jones either..

https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paulina_Neuding

The LocalSE (linked above you can search for more by yourself I've had people mention to me that it apparently is a neonazi site but i'm pretty sure were to the left of Corbyn so make up your own mind) and Radio Sweden (which is Sweden's official broadcaster) all have the same stories.

http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=2054&art...

http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=2054&art...

http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=2054&art...

(these are the 3 first results retrieved by searching "radio sweden shootings" (without quotes) on Google.co.uk in incognito mode. YRMV)

Sveriges Radio is essentially Swedish NPR or the BBC (pre television) so I have very high doubts that is pushes some highly contentious political agenda....

[maxerickson]

I'm aware it isn't uncommon, it's just less remarkable that a couple outfits would carry opinion pieces by the same person than it might be if they were opinion pieces by different people.

And that's the part of the article people are responding to, the opinion, the stuff that isn't in the Sveriges text, about how Sweden should be afraid of what it has done to itself. The Sveriges piece does mention that the homicide rate is still lower than Finland...

[dogma1138]

Homicides in total yes, but they also disclose that the gun violence is higher than it's neighbours.

"We have a big problem with gang-related violence" http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=2054&art...

And based on these numbers http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=2054&art... it seems that from 2014 to 2017 the number of shootings increased by about 50%, and the number of fatalities have also increased considerably.

And while I don't think that Sweden is as dangerous as Mexico or even the US I do think there is a growing problem there and what scares me even more is the response you often get which what the GP posted above is the most "vanilla" version of it, he or she simply dismissed it and asked if HN is becoming Fox News more often than not you'll simply be stamped as a "trump supporter/nazi/alt-righter" regardless of the context by simply trying to discuss the issue.

The last Jewish friend of mine that lived Malmo left in February this year with her family to Denmark the cause was this: http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=96&artik...

A "demonstration" with 200-300 people proclaiming that they will go and kill Jews and reminding them that the army of Muhammed is returning.

And as far as I know not a single arrest has been made despite the event being promoted on social media and live footage of it available.

[amag]

> something is going on

It's election year..

[dogma1138]

The problem is that you can pull articles from early 2017 that show the same thing just talking about 2016, while every year seems to be an election year in some places it doesn't really seem to be a made up story.

I don't really understand the "counter arguments" presented here are the statistics wrong? because these seems to be official statistics reported by all Swedish media and produced by the Swedish government.

[alkonaut]

They are being baited by someone trying to push a narrative. Sweden has been used as an example in Hungary, by Trump etc.

[dogma1138]

Well on a personal note I have had a few closed calls in Malmo and I know 17 people who left mostly to Denmark, Israel and the US.

I don’t know about the rest of Sweden but Malmo isn’t a place I want to be caught in, East London isn’t a walk in the park either.

[dogma1138]

306 shootings in 2017 that seems quite a lot compared to W.EU.

https://www.thelocal.se/20171222/in-figures-2017s-shootings-...

[danielvf]

A previous decrease in homicides since the 90's. Shootings increasing the last few years. Not contradictory at all.