[heckanoobs]

There's no reason you can't have a 5/5 framework with huge community and support.

Tribalism leads to choosing between two hobbled solutions because it closes the door on teamwork across tribes. Ember has its flaws but their upgrade strategy is world class. Every maintainer of an open source project should at least be familiar; but how can that happen when ppl happily report they "have heard of Ember and would NOT use it"?

[coldtea]

>There's no reason you can't have a 5/5 framework with huge community and support.

There's no law of physics preventing it. I'll give you that.

But between fragmentation of effort, few full-time collaborators, no funding for less interesting work, and other such things, there are many reasons we can't (and don't) have any 5/5 frameworks with huge community and support.