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by sklut 2990 days ago
"CBOE and CME futures being cash settled in a joke"

How do you mean? The CME S&P e-mini is cash settled. In fact all of the equity indexes futures products are cash settled.

"...and removes any incentive for the risk associated with the long position actually acquiring BTC"

They contract settles to a VWAP of physical transactions of BTC and converges to this point at settlement. It currently has a bid/ask price that surrounds the bid/ask of Gdax. I would say the risk associated with the futures contract is... effectively the exact same as physical holdings, less the risk you have of keeping large amounts of USD or physical coins at the exchange.

"further proving the large traders just want to play with the tool for speculative market volatility and not actually facilitate using or acquiring the asset itself"

I think your logic up to this point is flawed and that the conclusion you are attempting to draw is both baseless and lacks a point. If the purpose of "large traders" was to just "play" for speculative market volatility then... so what? I suspect you don't think that markets require speculation in order to become liquid and fair, so perhaps we live in different worlds.

Additionally, "not actually facilitate using or acquiring the asset itself" -- just for giggles: how many people that you know that screw around in the coin space are actually there to _use_ the coins as currency? Effectively everyone I know is just trying to ride the rollercoaster and make a profit and don't really care about the far off future of the stuff.

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If CBOE and CME traders on the long position had to take BTC, that would be more indicative of the market interest in the asset. Instead what exists now with CBOE, CME, GDAX, Bitfinex, Bitmex, etc is an ecosystem ripe for any insiders at the exchanges to front run, falsify volume, and manipulate the order books to margin call.

  just for giggles: how many people that you know that screw 
  around in the coin space are actually there to _use_ the 
  coins as currency? Effectively everyone I know is just 
  trying to ride the rollercoaster and make a profit and 
  don't really care about the far off future of the stuff.
Exactly. Agreed.