[greglindahl]

Congrats, you're a pretty rare user. You don't have to google for very long to discover a large number of people complaining about forced Windows 10 updates. The equivalent situation for OS X is that almost everyone updates.

This is especially visible on phones. Twice I've had a 4 year iPhone, twice it ran the latest software. There are very few Android phones for which this is true.

[wor3q]

Where I live it's pretty common to have a 6-7 year old gaming PC with SSD, and RAM upgrade among less tech savvy people.

They are fast enough to do web browsing and media consumption.

i5-5350u from newest Macbook Air is actually way slower than 9 year old i7-960, and it's sufficient for most people.

Four year old Nexus 6P has latest system version. Android One phones will have it too.

Time to live was a big difference in favor of Apple few years ago, but it's getting way better for Android phones now.

[saagarjha]

You're being incredibly disingenuous.

> Where I live it's pretty common to have a 6-7 year old gaming PC with SSD, and RAM upgrade among less tech savvy people.

Why would a "less tech savvy" person have a gaming PC?

> They are fast enough to do web browsing and media consumption.

That's not what a gaming PC is for…

> i5-5350u from newest Macbook Air is actually way slower than 9 year old i7-960, and it's sufficient for most people.

1. i7-960 is the processor from the Mac Pro. i5-5350u is from an ultraportable laptop.

2. The "newest Macbook Air" hasn't been substantially updated in around three to four years.

> Four year old Nexus 6P has latest system version

There's many things wrong with this statement, so let me break it down.

1. Nexus 6P came out in September 2015, so it's not even three years old yet.

2. Nexus 6P will not be getting the Android P update, which is currently in beta.

3. Nexus 6P is the high-end flagship phone literally backed by Google. No other Android phone is going to get updates as long as it does.

4. iPhone 6, which came out in 2014, will most likely be getting the update for iOS 12.

[wor3q]

> Why would a "less tech savvy" person have a gaming PC?

Kids. Adults buy kids new hardware to play latest games, and older stuff that is replaced is good enough for them.

> That's not what a gaming PC is for…

Repurposing old hardware for new uses is what being eco friendly is about.

> i7-960 is the processor from the Mac Pro.

No, it's a processor you would go and buy off shelf (hard to imagine, I know) and use in a decent gaming PC in that time, that happens to also be in a mac pro.

>The "newest Macbook Air" hasn't been substantially updated in around three to four years.

It's for June 2017 model, latest that was on Wikipedia. Is there a newer one which is twice as fast?

>The processor you've selected is from an ultraportable laptop

I wanted to state that for quite some time people don't actually need better hardware for web browsing or watching movies. This is a response to claim that 2010 PC users with Windows 10 being so rare, and that Mac mini from 2012 still having updates making it something special.

>Nexus 6P is the high-end flagship phone literally backed by Google. No other Android phone is going to get updates as long as it does.

iPhone is the high-end flagship phone literally backed by Apple. No other iOS phone is going to exist...

[saagarjha]

> Kids. Adults buy kids new hardware to play latest games, and older stuff that is replaced is good enough for them.

I don't understand what you're trying to say here. You mention that adults are buying their children new hardware, but you're also talking about 6-7 year old gaming PCs? Not quite sure what you mean.

> Repurposing old hardware for new uses is what being eco friendly is about.

Yeah, but these are gaming PCs. They're terribly impractical for casual use. They're bulky and hot and noisy, with terrible battery life and a large power consumption.

> It's for June 2017 model, latest that was on Wikipedia. Is there a newer one which is twice as fast?

It's the "latest" in the sense that they bumped the clock speed of the process slightly and kept the Broadwell-era CPU in 2017; otherwise it's all parts from 2015 or before. Even the MacBook from today is faster, and MacBook Pro, while not "twice as fast", is around 1 1/2 times faster or so.

> This is a response to claim that 2010 PC users with Windows 10 being so rare, and that Mac mini from 2012 still having updates making it something special.

You know, I've never seen anyone still using a PC from 2010. Macs from 2010 aren't that uncommon though; I know at least a handful of people who use the non-Retina MacBook Pros from like 2009 every day.

> iPhone is the high-end flagship phone literally backed by Apple. No other iOS phone is going to exist...

Yes, that's my point. You buy an iPhone because it's a high end phone that Apple's dedicated to support for years. With Android it's hit-or-miss. Sometimes you hit Google and get updates for two or three years. Sometimes you get Samsung and wait six months to get a two-year old version of Android from your carrier. You buy an iPhone and you are instantly guaranteed updates straight from Apple, immediately and regularly, for the next five years. And that's any iPhone, from iPhone X to iPhone SE.

[wor3q]

>I don't understand what you're trying to say here. You mention that adults are buying their children new hardware, but you're also talking about 6-7 year old gaming PCs? Not quite sure what you mean.

You buy a new PC, what happens to old one? It doesn't magically disappear.

>Yeah, but these are gaming PCs. They're terribly impractical for casual use. They're bulky and hot and noisy, with terrible battery life and a large power consumption.

I'm talking about desktops, not laptops. They're not noisy and hot unless you run them at 100%, which you don't do when not gaming. You could also remove GPU and save some power, but I rarely see people doing this.

> You know, I've never seen anyone still using a PC from 2010. Macs from 2010 aren't that uncommon though; I know at least a handful of people who use the non-Retina MacBook Pros from like 2009 every day

This is why i stated 'where I live'. Macs aren't common here (there's a trend for last 3-4 years for MacBooks, but still low market share), and in 2010 they were almost nonexistent. This is why there aren't much of old ones around.

Everyone had a PC though, and it can be seen that they can handle new versions of Windows as well if not better than macs can handle new OSX.

> Even the MacBook from today is faster, and MacBook Pro, while not "twice as fast", is around 1 1/2 times faster or so.

Yes, but did you see people owning Airs complain about slugishness? For same reason they don't on 2x faster, 7 year old machine.

> With Android it's hit-or-miss.

With Android you have choice. You pay premium for a pixel and updates, or go cheap and don't get those. There's also Android One initiative, which gives phones updates straight from google. Yes, harder for uneducated guesses, but you can still stay good knowing only that Google = longer life.

With iOS there's only one choice.