[martin_ky]

I think you hit the nail here with "poaching someone's turf" and the "tribalism" inside a company. I didn't mean to say that leadership considers engineers stupid. They hire them and trust them with solving complex technical problems. It just bothers me, they would often rather take a vague, generic management advice from a third party, who could not care less, over well intentioned, well reasoned, concrete advice, backed by concrete evidence from an engineer (or just do not act at all). This is just my colorful imagination, but I could almost 'hear' some managers thinking while dismissing an idea without giving reason: "I am supposed to manage you, no way you are going to tell me how to do my job". I've seen such behavior and I have no other explanation for it other than ego, office politics and 'cover my ass strategy'. This creates toxic environments and not just for the people working there. Productivity, quality and I'm 100% convinced that ultimately revenue and the ability to compete suffers from this as well.