[peacetreefrog]

On the one hand, this is a very shitty thing to do. On the other, he was young and dumb and FB was very different than it is today.

I suppose it could be red flag and indicate larger character flaws that have leaked into how FB operates now, but I'm personally glad I'm not being judged today for everything I did when I was 19.

[sigmar]

>I'm personally glad I'm not being judged today for everything I did when I was 19.

"Mark was a different person back then" would be much more believable if it wasn't for the fact he deceived users in 2011, has recently used his privileges as CEO to delete messages he had sent, and repeatedly tried to cover up the abuse of their api in 2014 (even going to far as to threaten lawsuits against the Guardian journalists a few weeks ago).

[smokeyj]

These excuses seem to be regularly voted to the top. I wonder if Zuck has his minions crawling this site.

[dang]

Please don't post like this - it's just https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hostile_media_effect in action.

I don't mean to pick on you personally; there are many such perceptions and they all disagree, just like people's underlying views disagree. Since they don't add information, such comments are off topic.

[smokeyj]

> Since they don't add information, such comments are off topic.

I agree, my bad. But I have noticed a formulaic rebuttal regarding the actions of Zuck. If you look at previous FB related posts the popular comments consistently suggest Zuck was "young and naive" - to the point of sounding like a PR piece.

I don't have evidence but maybe you have IP logs. I'd be willing to bet there's something very interesting in there.

[peacetreefrog]

Ok, what would you like to bet?

[mikeash]

I agree that we shouldn't necessarily judge people based on something from a decade and a half ago.

But I'm all for judging people based on their attitude toward their past misdeeds. If someone fucks up and then years later they go, "Yeah, I fucked up, I'm sorry, I learned X, Y, and Z from the experience and now I'm a better person," then by all means, let's move on. But if their attitude is to smear the victims and essentially claim that the fact that they're now filthy rich excuses them from any past misbehavior (as is the case here), then let's criticize the crap out of them.

[mainthread]

Some people get life in prison for things they do at 19.

[bmpafa]

If they lacked the foresight to be born wealthy and enroll in an ivy league college, that's their fault.

Cyni-casm aside, yours is a crucial point I think gets forgotten too often. Just yesterday I was scrolling through the comments on a Fox News post about an 18 year old who'd been sentenced to 25 yrs for being present during robbery when his friend killed someone.

Obviously substantially different crimes, but the comments were mostly people salivating at this "animal" getting "what he deserved."

Anyway, thanks for mentioning this point.

[user982]

> Just yesterday I was scrolling through the comments on a Fox News post about an 18 year old who'd been sentenced to 25 yrs for being present during robbery when his friend killed someone.

You misread this, likely because that would have made more sense than what actually occurred. The friend/accomplice did not kill anybody, but was killed by police in a shootout; the defendant was charged with murder for this death.

The involved law and its application are interesting interpretations of the idea of justice. (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/04/07/ala-teen-turns-down-25-...)

[sangnoir]

> The friend/accomplice did not kill anybody, but was killed by police in a shootout; the defendant was charged with murder for this death.

What the actual fuck? Then again, I can't say I'm suprised that it's in Alabama.

[JackCh]

Taking cheap-shots at southern states with disreputable histories is easy, but the vast majority of states (46 out of 50, as of 2008) in America have a Felony Murder rule.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/felony_murder_doctrine

[kmm]

But tellingly, virtually only in the US. Other common law countries which had it, abolished it for being unconstitutional.

In any case, calling the (lawful) killing of a kid by the police a murder by an accomplice, is making a mockery of the term murder and of justice in general.

[sangnoir]

Here's an image showing lynchings (what you call "disreputable histories"): Alabama earned it's disrepute, which is why I wasn't surprised.

I am not taking a cheap shot, unless you can prove to me that these "histories" are firmly in the past for Alabama, and that the attitudes have not lingered and that lady Justice is now color-blind in Alabama courts.

Edit: I've just realized your post is what-aboutism, I regret taking the bait.

[jlgaddis]

AFAIK, there are similar laws in many other states as well. It's definitely not just Alabama.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felony_murder_rule

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transferred_intent

[omnimus]

This is amazing. Never heard of it. Does it exist to protect cops? To take blame off their shoulders?

[raarts]

The Alabama slur was uncalled for, but still ... what the actual fuck? 'Interesting' interpretation of justice indeed.

[hcnews]

Good for him that he isn't black in today's America.

[maxxxxx]

This week there was an event at the UFC where on of their biggest fighters (Conor McGregor) and a dozen or so of his associates attacked a bus, smashed windows and injured several people in the bus who then couldn't fight at the event. He posted 50k bail and is now on the way home to Ireland.

When I saw this I thought to myself if some poor black teenagers had done exactly the same thing they would be in jail for the next 10 years or be dead by now.

[acct1771]

You're making this about race when it's about money.

If instead of MacGregor and his goonsquad, Floyd Mayweather and his goonsquad had done this, it'd have resulted in more or less the same outcome.

[maxxxxx]

I wrote "poor black". I think being poor gets counted the most but being black also gets counted against you. I think the point of this thread is that bad behavior gets treated differently for different people. I don't even want to consider what would have happened if a bunch of illegal Muslim immigrants had attacked the bus.

[baud147258]

Considering the number of car that's getting burned every year in new Year's eve in France, I'd that in France they can do that without repercussion.

[bmpafa]

or rather, good for him he isn't poor? or would a black Harvard student have been prosecuted for this crime?

[maxxxxx]

Being poor is probably what counts the most but being black woldn't help either.

[sangnoir]

Here's the harrowing experience of a multi-millionaire athlete at the hands of the police: https://www.theroot.com/video-nfl-player-michael-bennett-ass...

[fwdpropaganda]

> On the other, he was young and dumb and FB was very different than it is today.

I have seen no evidence that he changed when it comes to unethical behaviour.

[gowld]

It's not piss behind a dumpster from drunken night out being judged; it's the core functioning of the business and product.