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by coldtea 3003 days ago
>1. Companies are not democratic

That's just how it is today, not some natural law. Companies can and have been democratic (e.g. coops and other such forms), and companies can be more democratic going forward if people want it so.

>2.Being good at war is a good thing.

Not for the casualties -- and often not for the general population either. Would a better at war Nazi Germany be "a good thing"? Would a better at Vietnam US be?
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kingkongjaffa 3003 days ago
> That's just how it is today, not some natural law. Companies can and have been democratic (e.g. coops and other such forms), and companies can be more democratic going forward if people want it so.

Wouldn't survivorship bias dictate that the most successful companies are the ones that are left over, i.e. not democratic > democratic in the business of surviving. Regardless of your ideals.

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dragonwriter 3003 days ago
> Wouldn't survivorship bias dictate that the most successful companies are the ones that are left over

It might indicate that the current environment in the US, including the legal/regulatory environment and the social environment, is structured (in some cases deliberately) to favor anti-democratic corporations, yes. (Note that at least some sources I've seen indicate that European worker coops have higher survival rates than conventional firms in the same market.)

Or it just might indicate that the democratic governance of firms in the US market is a less frequenrly tried thing, which has had less experience from which to optimize.

Or it might be a mix of both.

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coldtea 3003 days ago
Only if "survived under current conditions" is the ultimate test of something's worth.

Until 1850s slavery had also survived as a practice. But then it wasn't...

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alslsls 3003 days ago
> companies can be more democratic going forward if people want it so.

Actually, they are democratic, but its the owners who have the vote, not the employees.

> Would a better at war Nazi Germany be "a good thing"?

Yes, from the German perspective, because they wanted world domination.

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coldtea 3003 days ago
> Yes, from the German perspective, because they wanted world domination.

The problems is you don't know from whose perspective it would be a good thing -- and which end of the gun one will face...

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