[badloginagain]

Also note that B.V.S did appear to have a 'Hourly Update' feature that did not appear to be subscribed to.

It's also important to realize that the captain was confident with the plan- except the storm in question was abnormal. That's an important fact to consider, as it throws the mariners heuristics off deciding how much more attention to pay.

[SlowBro]

> Also note that B.V.S did appear to have a 'Hourly Update' feature that did not appear to be subscribed to.

From the article, "The Coast Guard report also noted that “El Faro crew did not take advantage of B.V.S.’s tropical update feature,” which would have provided hourly updates."

So hourly updates apparently were available even if not subscribed to.

[ams6110]

The crew did not take advantage, or the company did not buy the subscription?

[smitherfield]

The NTSB report says that it was the former, they were available but the captain had not configured the software settings to receive the hourly reports.

(Obviously, and hindsight is 20-20, hourly should've been the default).

[floatingatoll]

There’s an interesting ethics question here: If your ship’s location places you near a hurricane, should they just quietly upgrade you for free tenporarily so that you don’t sink?

[Declanomous]

They should at least place a large warning stating that the data is not safe to use for navigational purposes.

[ams6110]

I'm sort of surprised that data from a source like that is used. Have you ever seen the weather data that airline captains use? It looks like this:

KORD 050251Z 26006KT 10SM SCT110 M02/M09 A3019 RMK AO2 SLP232 T10171089 53009

That's the current weather conditions for Chicago O'Hare.

Looks like gibberish to you and me but airline captains know what it means and they know how old the observation is. Captain has ultimate authority on the ship, but also ultimate responsibility. It was his job to know what that weather report meant. And surprising to me if he didn't, since by other accounts he was experienced, organized, and safety-conscious.

[jschwartzi]

You can't get licensed as a pilot without being able to read METARS. They will not let you fly. Find me a comparable licensure requirement for marine captains.

[HeyLaughingBoy]

It's been many years, so I can't refer you to a specific paragraph in 46 CFR (https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/46/part-310), but during my training as a Merchant ship's officer I was required to (a) take a Meteorology 101 class, (b) read and understand data from the weather FAX at sea and (c) when on watch, make weather observations and report them to NOAA hourly.

I think that's close enough.

[slapshot]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_mariner#United_States

or from gCaptain, which is linked elsewhere in the thread as a source of info on this particular incident:

http://gcaptain.com/mariner/

it will take years of sea time and weeks of classes to even get your Able Seaman (AB) or 100 ton master license. If you want 500/1600 ton mate or masters then even more years of sea time and months of classes. All of these requirements are outlined by the Coast Guard, but they change the rules all the time. You are never really done; every five years, when you come up for your license renewal, you will have to take some refresher courses. Sadly, none of this may be completed while you are at work, but rather while you are on your off time. It is expensive to take these classes and while sometimes your company will pay for the classes, room, and board, don’t count on it.

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[Declanomous]

Funnily enough I actually look at the KORD weather reports all the time and took the time to learn how to read pilot reports.

I think the difference is that captains are dealing with currents in the ocean and in the air. For the most part pilots are flying above things that will make the wind change in extremely short distances.

[stock_toaster]

Interesting! Did some searching and found this[1] which outlines the parts of a reading.

[1]: https://www.wunderground.com/metarFAQ.asp

[golergka]

If you did this warnings, you would want to be on the safe side. So, there would be a lot of false positives. But, as a result, your customers would get accustomed to it and don't treat them seriously.

There's no easy fixes here.

[dkresge]

How about placing a clear date/time stamp on the chart?

[bskap]

Didn't Tesla do that for cars near evacuation zones?