[buvanshak]

What I was saying was, when someone sign up to join the Army, their ideal is to protect the country and it's citizens.

But when they ordered to go to a different country and fight a war over there. that is not what they originally signed up for, right? So they are putting their lives on line for the whims of someone in administration, and not for a cause they care about.

That is all I am saying.

So, my original argument is that, If we are able to make human beings to risk their lives for causes so disconnected from themselves, Why can't we have human beings that are ready to lead an enforced, selfless life devoid of normal human joys and full fillments in the service of their country?

[mtreis86]

My response stands, they are typically risking their lives for something close to them - their family and community, and not for some lofty ideals nor for the whims of an administration. Most know the risk going in.

Your end statement describes brainwashing, which has been proven not to work. https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/TiG8cLkBRW4QgsfrR/notes-on-b...