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by a_t48 2999 days ago
He went to prison for it already and has kept clean for years afterwards. Do you think he deserves his deportation still?
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It’s certainly a statement about our society that we talk about who “deserves” and doesn’t deserve to be deported (not just you, but others and even NPR use that choice of words). As if being deported is a punishment - like prison - for those of us that we can get away with applying it to.
Hmm, fair point. Do you have a suitable substitution?
It’s a good question. Practically speaking, no. The US has done some pretty Machiavellian stuff to kick out immigrants before (eg. See the Mexican expulsion in the 1930s). It’s hard to justify that kind of thing given the really limited harm that illegal immigrants have on society. Open borders are also dubious given how many social services the US provides. So this is probably a reasonable policy, but it does create some strange dynamics.
Where you’re deported to seems like a key factor here, along with whether or not you had to flee from that place, and if you have any connections there. In this case it’s Somalia, he had to flee along with his family, and he has no connections. It’s hard to argue that it isn’t a punishment, with potentially dire consequences.
"He signed his own removal papers and was ordered to be deported to Somalia on June 15, 2010."

He agreed to be deported at the time, he just didn't understand the consequences.

Absolutely.

One of my close friends is a cop in Rochester, MN. The drug problem in that city is becoming increasingly worse. Sorry, I don't have sympathy for people who take advantage of the compassion found in Western societies.

He was ordered deported 8 years ago, but was allowed to stay temporarily. I think the case for him to stay should be heard by a judge who could overrule that order, according to the law.
Yes. We have standards. Accepting a willingness to commit crime goes beyond those standards.
Is he a citizen? If he is not, why should he not be deported?
He should not be deported because his life will be in jeopardy in Somalia.

That’s not just an emotional appeal. I’m pretty sure that’s a legal basis for not reporting someone.

Is that actually true? What would be the limiting principle for that rule? That logic sounds far too limiting on host country sovereignty.
I mean, that’s what asylum is for.