[VexorLoophole]

Mixing some things together, uh?

You can't tell me that you windows drives you nuts, and keeps tweaking and tweaking making it worse. Still it is (your opinion) better as linux GUIs or Apple's one.

And as arguments you mention playing games, watch movies, and browse the web?! All three are possible on all mentioned systems. The last two even in the completely same way as on windows (besides user interface).

I am just glad that i switched to the other two options and never had to look back. Apple also fucks up things. Still a pretty solid system for my use case. Also i am not able to see the iOS-varent movement you mentioned. Also Linux GUIs get better and better. It shocks me everytime what Windows Users tolerate while bashing the other two system, when i have to configure something on our AD (only used Windows Server in house). Inconsistent GUI Designs on expensive software, xbox gaming center preinstalled on a SERVER EDITION, everything shuffeled together, ...

[fhood]

Owner of windows 10 desktop, windows 7 laptop, and macbook pro here. Windows can go to hell. So many important things are crazy inconsistent. When plugging headphones stops being a complicated and finicky process I will consider re-evaluating my opinions.

Also do you know what the difference between a Windows fuckup and a macOS fuckup is? The macOS fuckup makes news while the Windows one in business as usual.

And there are adds. Built in to my OS. Fuck that.

[wbkang]

Actually Windows has one of the easiest ways to switch between Audio outputs, right from the taskbar. I have no idea what you are talking about.

[fhood]

I don't think you have used a Mac recently then. When you plug headphones in, the sound outputs through the headphones. And it works if the computer was off when you plugged them in. Or asleep. Or closed. I probably care way to much about this.

[gokhan]

> When you plug headphones in, the sound outputs through the headphones.

That's how Windows 10 behaves for me. I already knew it, but just tried again for you playing a movie using VLC and plugging in my headphones. Works like a charm.

[vesrah]

Windows frequently gets confused by my USB DAC and tries to send sound to my HDMI connected monitor.

[hobos_delight]

I have the same experience - on-board sound, usb dac (primary) and hdmi audio interface on an nvidia card.

Every so often it will "forget" that it should be using the usb dac and revert to the hdmi audio output.

[fhood]

No pop-up menus?

[gokhan]

No nothing. Also, forgot to mention another test, went to hibernate while the sound playing through laptop's speakers, plugged in headphones while the machine is off, started the machine. Sound was coming through the headphones after the boot. I'm on a t450s.

[jyrkesh]

I think that's a vendor implementation. I used a Lenovo for a long time, worked perfectly without a pop-up. Just got a Dell XPS 15, it pops up a prompt when I plug stuff in (but it also allows me to set a default behavior, so.... ‍️

[quantummkv]

No, never experienced them on my machine while switching between headphones and external speakers. Maybe you have some misconfigured driver?

[TheOtherHobbes]

I'm consistently baffled by MS. It employs some incredibly smart people, but reliably generates consumer products that are bywords for uninspired user hostility.

[wbkang]

This is exactly how my Windows laptop behaves as well. I never care about it, and when I want to override it, I just do it in three clicks.

[birksherty]

I use Windows and that's how it worked since I can remember. There must be some issue with your OS installation, driver or laptop.

[zeveb]

I believe that's how it work on Linux too!

[dogma1138]

Same thing happens on Windows.

[nathanaldensr]

Usually, it's up to the audio chipset driver manufacturers to provide the headphone switching logic. Windows itself has a more passive view of sound devices. You can change the active device from the context menu of the speaker icon in the system tray, and some chipsets (e.g., Realtek) tend to do the headphone switching for you.

[benrbray]

> When plugging headphones stops being a complicated and finicky process

Apple solved that problem by not even letting you plug in headphones!

[signal11]

My notebook had some issues re plugging in headphones and Bluetooth because of some bad Realtek drivers. Uninstalling that and using Microsoft's own drivers solved the problem.

3rd party software on Windows machines is an ongoing problem.

[komali2]

I can't speak for the server stuff, but objectively speaking gamers should be using Windows 10. Even just ignoring DirectX, it has the highest compatibility with the most popular games and most up to date drivers.

I use Debian for work but the gaming rig is straight Windows. Shame SteamOS never took of, I was into it (got the steam wifi dongly doo on the TV in the living room with four steam controllers lol)

[mattnewton]

I have a Windows 10 license literally only for gaming and they still manage to make that a horrible experience, between first party xbone controllers regularly disconnecting, forced updates happening in the middle of a game (because the clock can’t remmeber my time zone reliably), and random issues like broken Ethernet drivers (on my skylake-era motherboard) after an update, or ads for some office 365 ripping me out of a full screen game. Every time it happens I just think how much I paid for this experience.

If steam on Linux supported 1/10rd of triple A titles instead of 1/100th I would switch and never look back.

[fencepost]

You can't tell me that you windows drives you nuts, and keeps tweaking and tweaking making it worse. Still it is (your opinion) better as linux GUIs or Apple's one.

This is Emacs vs vi/vim vs GUI editors (Scintilla-based, Sublime, Electron-based, whatever).

You can feel that Emacs is the best thing ever, but still hate Ctrl-Alt-Shift-Meta combinations. You can love vi and still sometimes get annoyed about switching modes.

Seems to me that part of what he's feeling is that MacOS has become the unwanted outsider, and frankly most people have better things to do / aren't OCD enough to want to spend a bunch of time trying different windowing systems.

[avoutthere]

> you mention playing games, watch movies, and browse the web?! All three are possible on all mentioned systems

How is Far Cry 5 on Linux? How about MacOS?

[sidlls]

That has more to do with ubiquity than quality.

[AnimalMuppet]

> You can't tell me that you windows drives you nuts, and keeps tweaking and tweaking making it worse. Still it is (your opinion) better as linux GUIs or Apple's one.

Sure they can tell you that. X can be a disaster and a pain to use, and still be better than Y, if Y is a worse disaster.