[aylmao]

I'm all for privacy, but I'm also all for facts and reason, and some of this comments are getting incendiary.

> facebook is performing one big MITM

Is it a MITM attack if you choose to use that platform? That's like saying Uber is kidnapping, because you're in someone else's car. The whole point of MITM is you don't know there's a MITM.

> shameless siphoning

Accurate.

> selling all information to nefarious bidders

The data by CA was not sold, it was stolen. Facebook sells targeted ads.

[Natsu]

> Is it a MITM attack if you choose to use that platform?

They also build 'shadow profiles' of people who don't, though.

[aylmao]

That's sketchy, but not a MITM since there's no communication to or from a shadow profile. Again, I'm all for privacy and it's unceasing that facebook has profiles of people without their knowledge, but just trying to keep the discourse rational cause I've seen a lot of very sentimental and fearful posts, which lead to an irrational collective discourse, which just leads to chaos and unproductive conversations.

[Natsu]

There are Facebook trackers on nearly every website and they siphon data from your friends & family which you have no control over. Yes, yes, I can and do block things via browser extensions and whatnot, but it's simply not possible to stop them from sucking up a considerable amount of data.

[411mrc]

So if I have never joined Facebook, but fb has logged phone calls to me and associated them with my shadow profile - what is that?