[zzzeek]

HN is really fixated on the idea that the current political situation is somehow un-extraordinary. As has been pointed out, the hatred that Repbulicans had for all eight years of Obama cannot be overstated, yet nothing like what is happening now with apparent election interference by Russia was noted at all. Is there really that much of a massive left-wing conspiracy, that nobody questioned Obama's presidency beyond laughable "birther" claims yet is able to produce an enormous, Republican-led federal investigation into the current president based on nothing, yet despite this massive reach it somehow it allowed DT to be elected president in the first place? Here's a place where Occam's Razor might work. What is more likely - that DT is really a dishonest grifter who foolishly played into the hands of the Russian intelligence agents a bit too much, or that he is truly some kind of Ronald Reagan-esque figure and all 30-odd intelligence agencies pointing to Russia as an instigator are just making it up at the behest of DNC dark actors?

[dragonwriter]

> HN is really fixated on the idea that the current political situation is somehow un-extraordinary.

I don't think that's true; I think there is a highly vocal set of people on HN fixated on selling that idea, but I don't think HN as a whole is.

[zzzeek]

I'm replying to one just above. Trump won because "a lot of people really are unhappy with the status quo". Really, that's it ? Despite the largest popular vote loss for an electoral college winner in history? All the things Mueller notes in his indictments at https://www.justice.gov/file/1035477/download, wouldn't matter; social media being gamed by a foreign adversary, targeted to exactly those regions for which the electoral college would need to be manipulated as documented in the indictment is provably completely irrelevant to the election results.

edit: just on this thread:

"As someone who didn't vote for Trump, and doesn't support him, that's one of the (many) things I find so disheartening about this entire process. Pretending that Trump is somehow a unique problem that needs to be solved rather just another corrupt politician is to whitewash the rest of the crooks running our government. It isn't an accident that Trump is being portrayed as a unique menace. The levers of power in our government (and their minions in media) are very careful to paint the picture of this being an aberration."

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16681901 - e.g. this person is picking the conspiracy theory answer of occam's razor. That it really is a wild and massive left/right wing conspiracy to make all this happen, controlling both houses of congress, the justice department, and all media (including Fox who has to play the tricky hand of being against the investigations, yet is unable to produce a compelling reason why they should actually be ended), yet DT was elected in the first place.

"I'm not picking on or defending anyone, I'm just weary of the last years' worth of articles that keep claiming "smoking guns." https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16681776

these come out immediately on every story about this.

[ExactoKnight]

Dude Obama's team was the first to spearhead true micro targeting. Their Voter Activation Network (VAN) was even bought by the Liberal Party of Canada, and forms the core of their Liberalist voter tracking software.

[zzzeek]

did they have foreign nationals advising their campaign? because using facebook APIs is not the issue. breaking federal election law is.

[ExactoKnight]

They all do. I have Canadian friends I know from all the parties working on campaigns. They're basically Americans, just looking for career opportunities. They are not foreign agents with a foreign agenda, and this is not the scandal you are making it out to be.