[theossuary]

It's interesting how much the filing seems to revolve around PCF. I played with PCF a few years ago and was really unimpressed. More recently I've been consulting with firms using PCF and the devops guys there seem to really like it and Bosh, so it may have gotten better at least.

That said, I just can't understand why you'd ever pick PCF over Kubernetes. Sure, I get one deploys application code, and the other deploys containers. But after using the buildpack system for a while, I really think containers are the better solution (assuming you have the CI/CD to keep your custom containers up-to-date with new base images).

So it'll be interesting to see what Pivotal does there, and how they position PCF, especially now that they have their own branded version of Kubernetes[1].

[1]. https://content.pivotal.io/announcements/introducing-pivotal...

[Tossrock]

They also happen to sponsor the development of Concourse CI, which is a great CI/CD tool.

[tyingq]

Right. Similar with Amazon. Both seem to recognize that K8S is going to take over the market, so they've hedged against that threat.

And having someone provide a more enterprisey K8S is helpful. The version churn right now is pretty bad, and not something F500 companies want to deal with.