[freejulian]

There was no “Russian meddling” in the election. Stop parroting nonsense without evidence.

Hillary did cheat though. Her campaign directly collaborated with correct the record - last time I checked coordinating with a super pac was illegal. She also directly worked with the media to spread progaganda.

Thank god Trump won. Hillary would have been more of the same.

Also, it’s hilarious that we’ve all stopped caring about Citzens United now. Corporations influencing our elections is A-OK!

[tree_of_item]

We've established beyond a doubt by now that there was, in fact, "Russian meddling" in the election. It's incredible that someone could still deny this.

[simula67]

They also organized anti-Trump protests after the election : http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/02/16/indictment-reveal...

[freejulian]

Who did? The Russian government? Russian citizens? How did they organize these protests? Where’s the evidence?

Also, this is a completely different claim, separate from the “Russia interferes with our election” claim.

[simula67]

Agreed, Russian citizens doing stuff may not mean Russian government ordered it

[kmonsen]

I'm a strong Trump, and even more so Putin, hater, but I don't really get why Russian "meddling" is so bad. I kind of expect them to do this. I am sure the US is supporting candidates it wants to win in other places.

If it is hacking polling stations or other illegal activities, that is pretty bad. But still the responsibility is on the harmed country to make that harder, detect it and show proof.

Of course it would make Trump appear illegitimate, but I don't think it should be unexpected by Russia. Can't really expect them to be silent and do nothing when they know Hillary has strong negative views (for good reason!) of their country.

[jakelazaroff]

> I don't really get why Russian "meddling" is so bad. I kind of expect them to do this.

Here's an analogy: We expect belligerents to kill each other's soldiers during war. It's the responsibility of each side to minimize their own losses. That doesn't mean that war isn't bad.

[steviecleveland]

You might be able to win an argument with smart, but you'll never win an argument with stupid. t_d has arrived, so the correct response is:

FREE JULIAN!

[freejulian]

Really? Cool! I’m sure you won’t have any troubles pointing me to some evidence then! Let’s see it...

Also, I’m not alone in this, notable journalists such as Glenn Greenwald are also asking for evidence.

[austincheney]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_20...

There is enough evidence to substantiate beyond a reasonable doubt that Russia deliberately interfered with the 2016 presidential election. It is hard to determine the degree with which that interference influenced voters.

[yequalsx]

When all the stories first started coming out about U.S. torture around 2005 the first stage was denial by supporters of Bush. The number of intelligence officials, the number of investigative reports, etc. is such that someone denying Russian influence is being willfully naive. The question isn’t if they did influence the election it’s just how much the influence really was. It is beyond question that the Russians were involved in shenanigans. The U.S. has regularly unduly influenced elections in other countries so I don’t begrudge the Russians for what they did. I do begrudge those of our leaders who don’t care.

[tree_of_item]

Are you just not paying attention to the Mueller investigation? There's like five guilty pleas by now. Is that just a nothing burger? Seriously, what do you think that's all about?

If you want a timeline of events you can go here[0] or here[1], but something tells me you won't accept these...

[0]: https://www.politico.com/trump-russia-ties-scandal-guide/tim...

[1]: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2018/02/05/a...

[freejulian]

Your timeline is a list of accusations. You’ve provided no evidence to support your claim of Russian’s interfering with the election.

More importanly: why should I care about Russians interfering with elections when we let corporations do that to a far greater extent?

[tree_of_item]

The timeline contains confirmed events which are in fact evidence. They're not accusations; the point of the timeline is that these are things we know happened.

[drdeca]

How, exactly, are you defining evidence?

I assume you don't mean in the P(A|B) > P(A) sense?

[dingo_bat]

Can you spell it out? How did Russia "hack" the election? Please try to be specific. If I wanted random news stories, I'd google them.

[drdeca]

The topic at hand is "meddling", not "hack"ing. Please don't try to change the topic.

[dingo_bat]

Whatever adjective you prefer. But can you answer the question? You're being purposely obtuse.

[tree_of_item]

Can you read? Those lists are very detailed and deal exclusively with this topic.

[dang]

Crossing into personal nastiness will get you banned here regardless of how right you are or feel you are. Please read https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and don't do this again.

All: Please keep garden-variety partisan flamewars far away from this site, too.

[dingo_bat]

I have read and didn't find anything concrete. That's why I asked. No need to be rude.

[dingo_bat]

I bet 10 bucks nobody here is going to reply with what you asked for. Because there is no "evidence" of any sort of "hacking".

[djur]

You're the first person in this thread to introduce the word "hacking".

[dingo_bat]

My point still stands. Whatever adjective you prefer.

[djur]

https://www.justice.gov/file/1035477/download

"From in or around 2014 to the present, Defendants knowingly and intentionally conspired with each other (and with persons known and unknown to the Grand Jury) to defraud the United States by impairing, obstructing, and defeating the lawful functions of the government through fraud and deceit for the purpose of interfering with the U.S. political and electoral processes, including the presidential election of 2016."

https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf

"We assess Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered an influence campaign in 2016 aimed at the US presidential election. Russia’s goals were to undermine public faith in the US democratic process, denigrate Secretary Clinton, and harm her electability and potential presidency. We further assess Putin and the Russian Government developed a clear preference for President-elect Trump. We have high confidence in these judgments."