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by User23 3012 days ago
It logically follows that any faith that believes God to be a unitary creator is going to attribute math to Him.

Your absolutely correct observation about gaps notwithstanding, the driving question for me here is this: why does math work so well? I personally exclude any explanation that doesn't involve the Logos in some form as incoherent, but I don't have a specific answer and probably never will.

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I'm also very interested in this question. My current understanding is that mathematics only works well because the mind is only capable of conceiving a mathematical reality, i.e math is basically the end result of an evolved mind, a tool that divides experience to concepts (including objects, properties, relationships) which at first approximation don't change with time (a lion will remain a lion, a lion will remain dangerous). Later, higher level observations that are constant are also observed (e.g location that linearly changes with time is a constant speed, every triangle on a plain has 180 degrees etc.) - my point is that the mind is geared to find relationships that are constant (in every level of abstraction), and once we find such a constant we call it "truth" (or if we're more honest, we at least admit it's a good model). So I think the bigger question is not why mathematics works (it works because reality, including thought itself, can be seen through the filter of concepts that appear to be self consistent), but rather why reality lends itself to being categorized in the first place into "things" that have internal integrity and consistency.
Math works so well because we consistently abandon any math that doesn't work well.
And where the math of reality seems ugly or awkward or contrived, we invent notation to make it look neat and simple.

The reason why math education takes so many years is to learn all the complexity, conventions and abuse of notation. As in speech and image interpretation, the adept cannot see the complexity.

You can make anything simple by inventing a language to state it in. Use custom entities instead of multiplying them.

I'm not convinced this does logically follow. There is a view point that God is the source of math only in the sense that God created humanity with the limited capacity for understanding the world around them and one way this capacity has manifested is through the development of Mathematics.

Why does math work so well? Well math is pretty great but I don't think it is magical. There have been thousands of years of slow mathematical advances to get us to where we are now.

>why does math work so well?

This question really really bothers me. Why can I completely describe gravitational attraction (at certain distances) by just solving for f=g(m1*m2)/r^2? It's truly disturbing when you start appreciating this for the first time.

It must have been just as disturbing for the ancients to see how one could count the sheep using a sack full of pebbles. (We, modern people, are too used to the wonders given to us by the - quite abstract, in fact - notion of a number and never question our faith in the applicability of arithmetical operations to the real world.)
You can hear a band play music from a radio, even though there is no band inside your radio. How? Because electrons in a wire will slosh back and forth in near synchronous response to electrons in a different wire far away. We live in an interactive world where the fact that correlations can occur in matter interactions means that communication is possible.

And the ability to count sheep by counting pebbles is just a generalization of the same principles. One antenna can move in sync with another, without literally being the 'same' antenna. This is indirection or abstraction, depending on how you want to slice it.

The point being, there is no question of why arithmetical operations apply to the real world. The real world permits an infinite variety of valid and useful abstractions. I'd wager it is impossible to imagine a reality where this weren't the case.