[robeastham]

I'm a bit fed up of the childish negativity that always seems to be sent in Magic Leap's general direction.

Instead of putting energy into this I'd suggest pointing the energy towards creating something yourself.

To the Magic Leap Team - I am a believer :-) especially if you nail the stuff that others don't focus on like smooth interaction models (i.e. voice, gesture, 6DOF mobile controller etc.)

[leggomylibro]

It's less negativity and more caution. People have been burned by early adoption of breathlessly-advertised tech before.

People claim that their products can solve all sorts of interesting problems every day, and it's easy to get excited. But if they cannot demonstrate that their product actually can do what they say it does, then people are going to get suspicious.

Combine the lack of transparency with the long lead times that consumer hardware devices tend to have, and people will start wondering why nobody has been allowed to interact with a live demo of the product when it's supposed to be available to anyone within 9 months.

Everyone wants a product like this to work, but we're also worried about getting taken in by little more than slick marketing; that's how you get companies like Theranos.

[cmiles74]

I disagree that it's childish. Magic Leap hasn't been clear on what they are actually demonstrating in their demonstration videos. They started out with some really bold claims and have been gradually scaling them back into something more reasonable (and less unique). In my opinion, the skepticism is well earned.

[robeastham]

Thanks for the upvotes. Gratifying to see there are others who choose to think positively too. I do understand some of the skepticism, but I think saying:

"The product doesn't exist. The only image of the device on that Creator page is a 3D render"

..about a company that has received over $2billion in funding is pretty childish.

If Magic Leap are watching and want to send the team here at R01 a Creators Edition we'd be really happy to start creating on the LuminSDK with UE4 and represent here in London.

Anyone from @magicleap.com - feel free to use the chat widget at the bottom left of our site to get in touch (http://realityzero.one).

Edit: took Trolls comment off - because I realised, ironically , I was now the one being overly negative. Sorry about that.

[drcode]

> .. about a company that has received over $2billion in funding is pretty childish.

We don't complain about companies as long as Theranos about their technology.

Sorry, I meant to write "as long as they're honest about their technology".

[vijucat]

This has to win some sort of award. I found it quite creative :)

[ZenoArrow]

> "about a company that has received over $2billion in funding is pretty childish."

Based on what you know about the Magic Leap to date, if you had the money to invest would you do so?

[robeastham]

Epic Games Founder and CEO Tim Sweeney said: “Magic Leap has truly created something magical in this combination of hardware breakthroughs and software innovations, which represents a giant leap towards the coming spatial computing revolution.”

Tim Sweeney, CEO of Epic Games and head geek for Unreal Engine 4, must have tried Magic Leap One and he doesn't strike me as someone who just goes ahead and drinks the Kool-Aid. I guess we'll all have to wait and see.

Apologies for annoying so many people here. Now I'm getting down-voted into oblivion :-(

[banachtarski]

The triggering point is just the belief that just because entity X received Y dollars in funding, that X has any legitimacy. There are more than enough counterexamples in the valley (juicero, theranos, bodega, etc) that demonstrate investors really lack the capabilities or wherewithal to conduct proper due diligence. The downvotes you are getting is a direct reaction to this.

[throwaway222229]

Epic has everything to gain from this partnership, and nothing to lose.

[banachtarski]

Were you a theranos believer too?

[throwaway222229]

And I'm a bit fed up with the fanboyism over vaporware and the lack of perspective while simultaneously accusing those who /have/ perspective as being lazy.

I, for one, /did/ try creating something at that company. Instead all I got was a cut in pay, overwork, and a lack of career prospects while still being required to play roles with rediculous levels of responsibility under working conditions even OSHA would find intolerable.

Mind you, this was all happening while being told that my many years of experience actually shipping consumer products at other companies was worthless and that the failed leadership forklifted from Nokia would save the day as they proceeded to continue making short-sighted decisions and ignoring the experience they hired.

No, I will /happily/ sit back and watch and heckle. And why am I not starting my own thing? Because when they fail to deliver the ill-defined "magic" they so heartily promise, they will destroy an entire field I used to have faith in actually taking off. Funding will dry up and VCs will turn away after this fiasco.

Believe what you want, but keep your accusations of lack of trying to yourself.

[nneonneo]

Interesting. I'd certainly love to hear more about the inside scoop (but obviously don't say more than you legally can).

What's your take on the current push with the SDK coming out? Do you think this signals that they're really getting ready to ship something, or do you feel that they're still unready based on what you saw there?

[msds]

>OSHA

Did this have anything to do with a certain renovation?

[VectorLock]

I don't think the negativity is childish at all but completely warranted. This product seems to have all the hallmarks of vaporware designed to pump the value of the company through pure hype and zero delivery.

[hitekker]

Ah man, the irony of complaining about childishness, insinuating everyone against you is a loser, and then making a new comment just to thank people for upvotes... 20 minutes after posting the first one.

It smacks of when Theranos supporters were shrieking down suggestions of malfeasance.

[eanzenberg]

I don't appreciate the

>>Instead of putting energy into this I'd suggest pointing the energy towards creating something yourself.

attitude. Just because I don't play football doesn't mean I cannot criticize the coach. Just because I'm not in politics doesn't mean I cannot criticize politicians.

[abritinthebay]

Magic Leap appears to be this generations Phantom Console.

Lots of promises, lots of hype, a crap ton of money poured into it... and then basically nothing of substance for years.

Eventually, when it is finally released it'll likely be very underwhelming (so far they really are just showing normal hardware for the space, so they're already there).

It's not surprising people are negative - they've given us nothing to be positive about and lots to criticize. I'm more suspicious of those who are positive about them at this point.