[dashundchen]

I'm not sure why that isn't an argument to be considered. The fact is these statements (referring to Mexicans as rapists and murders, "shithole countries") keep being made by the president, who historically has some sway over the legislative debate, especially when their party controls both chambers of congress.

I'd like to know, do you think these are reasonable, good-faith openers for debate? I don't, especially when so few on the right seem to be able to rebuke them and move on to a real discussion.

[bassman9000]

If being anti-illegal-immigration automatically makes you aligned with Trump, yes, it's a bad opener.

And still not an argument.