[mncharity]

> I think more people that go to Ivies are hard workers then have so much natural ability that it doesn't require much work.

Or not. I've been told by someone teaching introductory courses at an ivy, that a major challenge they face is that their students have had such good teachers, presenting ("spoon feeding") information so clearly, that their students now have neither the skills, nor the inclination, to wrestle with a body of knowledge and extract understanding.