[cf498]

>As tens of thousands of Americans die from prescription opioid overdoses each year

The number of people apparently come from the CDC https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db294.pdf

Is there some data about the circumstances? I was formerly under the impression, that overdoses can generally be categorized into two. Cut drugs and this no information about the dosage and intentional overdoses.

How are tens of thousands of people overdosing with a product with a known content? Are all of those first time users?

[mirimir]

Sometimes, people addicted to prescribed opiates get cut off by programs to fight opiate addiction. And some of them eventually turn to illegal drugs, and have no clue how to use them safely.

[cf498]

Yes sure, but those arent listed under "die from prescription opioid overdose".

[mirimir]

Maybe, maybe not. I mean, Teva oxycodone HCl is arguably still a prescription opioid, even if it's been obtained without a prescription.

[cf498]

I have to blame the language barrier, thanks for pointing this out. I assumed prescription drugs as being prescribed.

[mirimir]

It is an ambiguous construction. And abuse can include doctor shopping to get multiple concurrent prescriptions.

[Erlangolem]

People mix and match drugs, they lose track of dosing (easy to do when you’re wrecked on opioids), and as their tolerance increases they up their dose. They also frequently take a prescribed drug in unsafe ways, such as insufflation or injection.

[cf498]

The part of mixed consume patterns is something I missed. With the high number I disregarded poly drug use. I expected them to be negligibly in the number of death. But apparently with availability comes the category of occasional consumers.

Up until now my picture of opioid addicts was people with daily consumption patterns. Even with an increasing tolerance I didnt think accidental overdose deaths were a common phenomenon for an addict.

I thought the matter of unsafe consumption in form of injection and co is a matter for first time users of a specific product. Otherwise an addict know the dosage quite well.

That said, it will be a problem of hard to dose substances. Changing the ingestion method of for example transdermal fentanyl gets you killed quickly if you cant measure the dosage for the extremely small margin of error with improper measurement tools. I assume it will be similar with the other products on the list.

Thanks a lot for the input and the different perspective.

[joveian]

I didn't see the specific number the article quoted in the link you mentioned, but it looks like the tracking is based on what drugs were involved not context so I'm not sure how many of those deaths are in the context you are describing.

One thing that surprised me when I looked into it a little bit a while ago is that benzos + opioids were the most common combination involved in fatality (in New York city IIRC, not specific to type of opioid), followed by alcohol + opoids. But it made sense when I learned that the thing that tends to kill people with opoid overdose is not breathing. Pain can make it really hard to sleep and stuff that helps you sleep can also bring you closer to not breathing.

I'm not sure how many people on long term opioid prescriptions regularly use a recording pulse oximeter overnight, but I'd guess very few. There seems to be some connection between long term opioid use and central sleep apnea [0]. It sounds like apnea is considered a known complication at this point [1] but I don't know how well doctors are monitoring for it. I don't know if there is any evidence to support or refute this, but it at least seems possible that some number of the deaths could be from people who have breathing trouble at night for a long time without realizing it and something relatively minor might be enough to kill them.

I couldn't find anything if prior obstructive apnea is linked to opioid deaths, but I did find an interesting letter to the editor [2] that references an interesting retrospective study on opioid deaths in Canada using prescription information [3]. A quote from that study:

"In the primary analysis, 593 deaths met the inclusion criteria for this study ( Figure 2 ), including eligibility for public drug coverage, receipt of an opioid prescription overlapping the index date, and no evidence of cancer or palliative care. Of these, 498 (84.0%) were matched to at least 1 control. The coroner’s toxicologic screening detected more than 1 opioid type in 193 (38.8%), benzodiazepines in 301 (60.4%), and ethanol in 92 (18.5%) of these cases."

That seems like an amazingly high number of people with benzos in their system at the time of death. If I understand the study correctly the data table is showing that in 84.5% of deaths and 64.4% of controls there was a benzo prescription within 180 days (for controls index date was the same as the day of the matched death). I could imagine that often benzos might often be tried before starting opioids, so I'm not sure how often people have prescriptions for both at the same time but even if not that often many patients seem likely to have them available. I can easily imagine for someone in pain that a small (even if not that small) chance of death can be easy to overlook when trying to sleep. I am amazed that there aren't more people who die due to this. [2] mentions some alternative sleep aids that might be less likely to cause respiratory issues.

[0] Filiatrault et al. 2016. Medium Increased Risk for Central Sleep Apnea but Not Obstructive Sleep Apnea in Long-Term Opioid Users: A Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4795290/

[1] Kahan et al. 2011. Canadian guideline for safe and effective use of opioids for chronic noncancer pain. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3215602/

[2] Geller. 2017. Opioid therapy and sleep apnea. https://www.mdedge.com/ccjm/article/129989/pain/opioid-thera...

[3][PDF] Gomes et al. 2011. Opioid Dose and Drug-Related Mortality in Patients With Nonmalignant Pain. https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Michael_Paterson/public...

[Erlangolem]

My pleasure, and I’d just add two more things; sometimes Rx users will venture into the world of the black market, and get more than they bargained for. More commonly though, a disproportionate number of overdoses are found among people who had been in recovery. Their tolerance is reduced, they chase their dragon at old doses, and it levels them.