[olivermarks]

I'm sure there are all sorts of dark actors in the shadows on this one. Holmes is being hung drawn and quartered in public, but there were many other people involved in building up this chimera. The board of directors are an interesting bunch and Ramesh "Sunny" Balwani is a colorful character. Holmes may have been a patsy, who knows...

Bloomberg and most other media companies pumped Theranos up for all it was worth, then Murdoch's WSJ deflated the balloon, having previously blown it up to dekacorn dimensions.

It feels like the pump and dump plays so popular in the dot com era by the money.

[ng12]

Was she the CEO or not? If the CEO does not bear responsibility for egregious, dangerous fraud who does?

[sephlietz]

I think the point is that others likely should also be held responsible. Not sure I understand your argument here.

[ng12]

I'm specifically disagreeing with the usage of the term "patsy", which implies that she's not morally complicit on grounds of naivete.

[olivermarks]

Fair but she might be a clueless rube who got played...

[kolpa]

Played by who? Who made money on Theranos? Anyone who knew it was a fraud wasn't going to profit from investing. They wouldn't be able to cash out before the product failed at market. Maybe a supplier would profit from selling supplies, but not the investor/advisors.

[olivermarks]

'Although Holmes settled her complaint with the SEC Wednesday, agreeing to a broad series of penalties without admitting guilt, Balwani did not settle with SEC, which will continue investigating him'.

'Theranos' board heft was anchored to a 2011 meeting Holmes had with former secretary of state George Shultz, who after joining the board recruited his fellow former secretary, Henry Kissinger. Other notables around the table were former U.S. senators Sam Nunn and Bill Frist, former secretary of defense William Perry, and James Mattis.

Mattis came up in the SEC's investigation. It found that while Mattis was leading the U.S. Central Command he lobbied for Holmes' tech to be used in the military, though regulators flagged issues before the notion took wing. Mattis resigned from Theranos' board when he become U.S. Defense secretary in 2016'.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/news/2018/03/15/behind-t...

[edanm]

While I don't think the investors/advisors were necessarily in on this, you're actually mistaken here.

First of all, an advisor could certainly be making money just by drawing a salary or any other compensation. As did Elizabeth Holmes, actually, who drew a salary of 200k (not very large for a CEO, I believe, but certainly this is a very real compensation she got from the fraud).

As for investors, theoretically speaking, early round investors could've sold their shares to later round investors and cashed out.

Again, I'm speaking hypothetically here - I assume there weren't that many people involved in the fraud, just by virtue of the fact that it was kept alive for many years and it's hard to get many people to keep a secret.

[txsh]

These companies pay journalists to promote their scams. Everyone who took their money and wrote a favorable article should go to prison.

Also, the way she compatmentalized her business and threatened former employees proves she was complicit.