[BenSahar]

It's more common than people like to acknowledge.

The violent crime rate in Chicago is lower than ~30 other US cities. It sits about even with Tulsa.

The thing that makes Chicago stand out is that its population transforms the rate into a larger raw number.

[drewbuschhorn]

It's really crazy when you look at just how many murders / deaths we have compared to anyone else.

I decided to check the right-wing conspiracy theory that if you dropped the top four Democratic controlled cities from the US numbers, we'd be in the range of other 1st world democracies. No idea which cities those are supposed to be, but I assume Chicago and NY and LA and St Louis.

Spoiler alert, we're not. Even throwing out all gunshot murders from IL, CA, NY, LA, MO (New Orleans), while keeping the population, still doesn't get us below 2x rate of CAN. You have to toss TX, NJ, MT, OK, to get in the ballpark.

[rsynnott]

Eh? Canada has a lower rate of gun deaths than ANY US state; 1.97 vs 2.78 in Hawaii, the lowest. Canada’s rate is still high for a developed country, incidentally.

Edit: sorry, missed you were talking about murders; I was using data for all deaths.