[mattmanser]

How are those big projects? Why would you need any scalability for that?

From what you just said they're running for, at most, a few thousand people.

In terms of loads/numbers/etc. that's child's play and definitely not "huge applications". The kind of decisions he's talking about are for things with thousands of concurrent users per second, not per day.

That kind of stuff could be dealt with a single desktop computer running PHP and mysql. And you definitely don't need microservices.

In my experience, having worked in both enterprise and consumer startups, enterprise is shallow but broad with little need for any of the complicated stuff and more need to make the code really simple, obvious and uncomplex because it ends up dealing with so many different problems, while consumer scale is where you start needing to get a bit fancy purely because of scale, but it only deals with a couple of problems.

[mpfundstein]

To quote myself regarding micro-services: "I REALLY REALLY REALLY like that micro-services make your boundaries explicit and enforce you to write contractual APIs aka Interfaces. Much more than all the promises of scalability etc."

With huge applications, I mean 10s of thousands of lines of code with features added on a daily basis by multiple developers.

What both have in common is that they started us as seemingly small 'throwaway tools' but grew into business scale applications that serve now a core purpose.

Btw, who said I didn't use MySQL and PHP ? :D

[mattmanser]

Again, "10s of thousands" of lines of code is nothing. It's a few months work.

Introducing microservices into a small code base feels like it would be counter-productive. It adds a ton of unnecessary complexity to a tiny code base.

You don't want contractual APIs for code like that, as it grows the contracts are going to be constantly breaking as new features are added and the only people who care are the other, internal, developers.

If you used a statically typed language, in a monolith it would tell you immediately that it had happened as soon as you did your sync (which should be happening multiple times a day for everyone). Better still, the other developer would have had to deal with it, the only code you'd need to worry about is the new code you added, and again, your check in would break the build.

Code how you want, but my mind boggles at people doing microservices for tiny code bases. Much better to have a monolith until you get into the million of lines.

I am just thankful I work on statically typed monoliths where my tools just deal with it and I don't have to spend time setting up and debugging microservices instead of doing actual work.

[mpfundstein]

“You don’t want ...”

Thanks for telling me what I want :-) I also worked on statically typed monoliths (.Net)! I also worked on micro service systems (>70 services, 2 years of work) written in NodeJs.

It all has its pros and cons.