[pasta]

On the other hand: remember cutting out images for rounded borders, using spacer images to align everything, using Javascript for roll over image swaps, GIF for 'transparency'?

But I agree for most part. I also have +15jr old PHP sites running. It was like upload and forget.

But I'm so glad we now have version control and better IDEs.

[nickjj]

Haha yes. Using images for rounded borders was classic. I remember many sleepless nights of trying to do pixel perfect Photoshop to HTML layouts too. Or using many chained   characters to fix spacing issues.

Yeah version control is definitely a win.

I mean, back in the day my idea of testing was to take something like a blog.php file, copy it to blog2.php. Make my changes and upload it to the live production server. Since this new "2" version of the page wasn't linked anywhere I was free to manually test it in privacy.

Then if it worked as expected, I would delete the old blog.php file, rename the blog2.php to blog.php and upload it. That was a "release".

Zero downtime deploys without Kubernetes or load balancers, circa 2003.

[y4mi]

> Zero downtime deploys without Kubernetes or load balancers, circa 2003.

it always irks me when i read a sentence like that.

* if something went wrong, your site would've been down. completely. irrelevent and easy to recover from as a small hobby page, but incredibly expensive if you need to honor a high uptime SLA.

* stateless services that don't need schema migrations are still very easy to upgrade without kubernetes -- or load balancers for that matter.

[segmondy]

There have been version control and great IDEs for about 40 years.