[criley2]

You're hiding behind bad statistics to basically ignore all high end android phones, Galaxy devices etc. You're pretending the entire high end android market is "negligible" by using such shoddy statistics to essentially claim "Android = Budget". We all know what you're doing when you make cheap, short comments which obscure context to push narrative.

This is a very similar situation to people who use averages because medians don't tell the narrative they want.

You have a narrative, and you have damned statistics, so reality doesn't really get in your way.

[shados]

As mentioned already, I dont see whats hard to understand.

High end android are similar to high end Iphone. Low end android are similar to...nothing in the iphone world.

So people with money who like Android buy Android People with money who like iPhones buy iPhones People with low money who like Android buy Android People with low money who like iPhone...buy Android

(there's the used market that make things a bit more complicated, but I still think the data would work out)

I'm still going to enjoy my Galaxy S9+ in a week.

[rayiner]

The statistics are fine. The point is that you’d expect Android -> iPhone switches to be rarer than iPhone to Android switches. Nearly everyone who can afford an iPhone who wants an Android phone can afford to switch. But many people who have an Android phone but want an iPhone cannot afford to switch. (Indeed, if you look at average selling prices, the average Android user could not afford to switch to even the lowest end iPhone, even if they wanted to).

[askafriend]

Thank you, this is exactly what I wanted people to notice.

Perhaps your version is stated more clearly than mine. Though I thought it was pretty clear when I initially wrote my version.

[askafriend]

I'm not making a value judgement about the devices or them being "budget". You're imposing that on my comment because for some reason you feel attacked by my statements.

I am simply pointing out the realities of the market and what the data says. Emerging markets are incredibly important in these numbers and emerging markets overwhelmingly choose Android for obvious reasons. Android simply has more market penetration in price-sensitive areas.

Look at Samsung's device ASP, it's around $300. Apple's is closer to $700. If you cross reference these ASP numbers with market penetration, the narrative will become clear. If Samsung's Galaxy line had significant impact, you'd see it reflected in the ASP numbers.

If you want to have an actual measured conversation, feel free to introduce new facts or data that might help us both gain a better understanding of the mobile landscape. Until then, I don't think this conversation is entirely productive if you choose to throw away all the data I pointed out and attack me personally.

[criley2]

Sure. Let's add to the discussion using your data, hope you won't feel offended or attacked since we're only discussing data

"iPhone owners are willing to spend more than double what Android owners are for what is essentially same thing"

"iPhone owners demonstrably have less concept of frugality/value -- is it advertising, branding or something else which overwhelms their judgement?"

I wonder why this is. Is it the marketing which makes iPhone owners spend double? Is it the branding, the social status of buying a $1000 status object? Or do iPhone users really believe that their phone calls and web browsers are actually worth 3X the price?

[askafriend]

I'll look past your unwarranted snark - even with everything you said, my point is simple and nothing you say contradicts it: if you can only afford a phone for $300 or you only want to spend $300 on a phone, you are going to pick Android because iOS isn't even an option for you.

Whether you think people who buy Apple products have a poor concept of value or not is frankly irrelevant to the discussion.

[criley2]

I don't think it's irrelevant to a conversation where I explicitly said "what else can we learn from your data", but I understand why my looking for other conclusions from your data made you uncomfortable and made you use a weird "irrelevance" attack to discard the observations instead of actually responding.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hi2tjMLVpdQ

I find it interesting that many of the folks who own everything choose Android (unless they need iMessage).

>if you can only afford a phone for $300 or you only want to spend $300 on a phone, you are going to pick Android because iOS isn't even an option for you.

Absolutely, you can get near flagship level Android devices for $250 (I just picked up a Moto X4 for $250 myself) while such an Apple device would be more than twice as much (and be unpopular enough that Apple's average sale is much closer to full price).

I think this data makes a very strong case for iPhone users having a very poor sense of value, regardless of whether or not you think this conclusion from your data is "relevant" to discussion of your data or not.

[askafriend]

The only point I made is about optionality at a price point and how that can be one factor that's important to keep in mind when looking at the data presented in the article. That's literally all I pointed out.

You can either agree with me, or disagree with me and offer evidence to disprove the value of what I said. I don't understand what you're trying to accomplish by bringing taste or sense of value into this. If iPhone users have a poor sense of value then so be it, it still neither helps strengthen nor helps disprove my original point...

I'm sorry but I don't get your angle. I get the sense that you just want some friends to argue with but I'm sorry - I can't be that person for you. You'll have to find someone else. I think it's best for both of us to move on from this conversation. It's been a pleasure, cheers.

[Oletros]

> Emerging markets are incredibly important in these numbers and emerging markets overwhelmingly choose Android for obvious reasons. Android simply has more market penetration in price-sensitive areas.

The study covers only USA.It is not an emerging market and it is one of the few that market share of iOS and Android are not very different

[askafriend]

I believe the ASPs being stated in the various comments in this thread are the global numbers being reported by IDC.

[Oletros]

Yeah, but the loyalty report only covers USA

[scarface74]

If the ASP of an Android phone is $227, how does that not imply my Android users are buying cheap phones?