[peterevans]

"Almost never."

In my experience, the code you write within a third-party framework rarely works the way you expect it to the first time. So you often do "debug" the framework, just to see where your code goes while in the framework to see what you missed.

That's not a bad thing, though--it's a great way to learn any new framework!

[givehimagun]

Agreed and I will piggyback on top of it. I think we forget how reliable some of the code in this stack is. It's battle-hardened and works extremely well with lots of documentation/help.

There is no sane alternative to this...that is the power of open source where we collectively pool our capacity into something worthwhile to everyone. I want more of it.

[jdmichal]

Using jBPM, you get a NullPointerException when you use a WorkItemHandler with a BPMN <serviceTask>. Not a nice one with a message, either. Had to debug into jBPM to figure out that one.