[pabloski]

Sorry but you should stop reading CNN and MSNBC. I did not vote for the M5S.

What I can say:

1. they are not anti-european, they simply hate the current Bankurope 2. They have not ties to Putin (who the fuck is spreading this bullshit ??) 3. They aren't anti-migrant, they want to control the immigration flows. Do you have the faintest idea what it means for a small country like Italy to be forced to import 600.000 migrants in 5 years? Heck, you can build a formidable army with such numbers 4. yes, they are left-wing (hugely statalists) and this is why I have not voted for them 5. yes, the infrastructure is handled by Casaleggio Associates. But AWS is controlled by Amazon. So what is the point?

The real point here, is that the radical chic leftist media are purporting them as the devil, while it is their masters who have worked hard for the past 6 years to literally destroy Italy.

We have hundreds of thousands of young people who leave Italy (high profile people, people with PhDs). We have foreign companies who take State's subsidies and then close up shop and go to Poland, Slovak, Romania, etc ... Our middle class has been literally destroyed. The number of poors have skyrocketed in the last 5 years. The unemployment is at a whopping 40+% among young people. Corruption is out of chart, with politicians actively working with ecomafias to illegally dump toxic wastes everywhere on our territory.

These are the real motives why the people have voted against the status quo. And they have gone to vote in unusually high numbers ( 73%, never seen before! ).

[majewsky]

> Do you have the faintest idea what it means for a small country like Italy to be forced to import 600.000 migrants in 5 years?

I don't want to get into an argument about immigration politics, but it strikes me as odd that you consider Italy "small". It has 60 million inhabitants, making it forth most populous country in the EU, and is the seventh largest country in the EU by area. [1]

For scale, Jordan has taken at least in 650,000 Syrian refugees [2], and it's only a third of the size of Italy, and a sixth of the population.

Or take Lebanon. It is a 30th the size of Italy, with only 6 million inhabitants (1/10 that of Italy), but has taken in nearly a million Syrian refugees. [3]

I don't want to dismiss or diminish the trouble that Italy is going through because of the tensions in the Middle East, but calling Italy "small" indicates a lack of perspective.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_state_of_the_European_U...

[2] http://data.unhcr.org/syrianrefugees/country.php?id=107

[3] http://data.unhcr.org/syrianrefugees/country.php?id=122

[vixen99]

Isn't it obvious that the critical issues here have very little to do with Italy's size but much to do with the nature of the migrant (their lifestyle - the way they want to live, for instance) and their population density in a particular area? It's also a matter of the will of the Italians.

[delcaran]

> And they have gone to vote in unusually high numbers ( 73%, never seen before! ).

In 2013 we reached 75% and in 2008 80% (http://www.ilsole24ore.com/speciali/2018/elezioni/risultati/...), so it was seen before. Still, given this election was one day only, it's an impressive result.