[ckinnan]

Imagine if you'd limited Elon Musk's PayPal wealth with such confiscation taxes. We'd literally have no SpaceX or Tesla. Why should society put so much trust that politicians can allocate resources in a fair and economically beneficial manner?

[notahacker]

We'd certainly have no SpaceX if the government didn't have a large budget for subsidising space companies and paying for their services (which was an order of magnitude larger again during the Space Race when there wasn't any market for any kind of space launch).

As far as I'm aware, Musk can and does pay tax on his earnings

[tooltalk]

I guess that's why Musk is paying big moneys to political campaigns of McCain and others to win legislative favors and maintain good relation with gov't.

[greglindahl]

SpaceX's development money was paid by NASA in exchange for launches, not subsidies. There's a big difference between the two.

[notahacker]

It's something of a moot point when I'm really arguing NASA wouldn't exist to pay for launches without tax dollars, but the non-binding launch contracts were structured like a research subsidy with many of the payments being associated with hitting r&d milestones rather than with an obligation to actually render services, and encouragement to go and find other customers. Nothing unusual about that: it's the way the space industry works.

[greglindahl]

That's not a subsidy. That's progress payments. Many industries other than space have progress payments.

In fact you see some private contracts which are exactly like that NASA contract: "We want to pay you to create a much cheaper product than we can already buy, and here are some early progress payments so you don't have to finance it yourself."

You may think this is a moot point, that's totally fine. The difference between subsidies or not is important to others.

[notahacker]

You'll find private sector contracts which pay in instalments for hitting milestones, but not ones which give companies hundreds of millions of non-reimbursable research dollars without the obligation to buy or sell any actual services or transfer IP or equity. Phase I of COTS was a series of grants for hitting planning milestones with a right to terminate before Phase II. The procurement contracts were separate and subsequent to this.

[cdancette]

But how many Elon Musks did we miss because some people didn't get the opportunity to try their ideas due to lack of ressources ?

[lawlessone]

Did musk really come up with all these ideas? He's the paypal guy, its rocket engineers doing all the rest.

[wdn]

He is the one who ask the right questions.

Yes, there are smarter people than him but how many of those people have Vision he has plus the ability to execute it?

[snovv_crash]

He is also Chief Engineer. So yes, he is coming up with these ideas.

[tooltalk]

and are you saying that gov't would be better at allocating resources to those with greater talents, and/or ideas that would succeed?