[qplex]

Hey, me too.

Sadly of late, I've felt a nihilistic indifference grow inside me.

Trying to infulence people on how they should do things is socially amazingly straining. The outcome at best is usually that people agree with you, but admit that they do not have any real motivation to do things differently.

If the cause and effect could be observed at a closer distance it might make all the difference.

[tonyedgecombe]

Expecting people to make individual choices isn't really going to work.

I have made changes, for instance I don't own a car or fly anywhere. If I'm being honest this has meant compromise for me, because I live in a community of car owners the infrastructure for cyclists is minimal and the public transport is sparse.

I'll keep doing it and more but I don't expect people around me to change unless they are forced to.

[qplex]

I agree, but find it unlikely that a change will happen top-down either, as the politicians and corporations are even more corrupted than individuals.

I ride a bicycle too and don't own a car. I buy stuff second hand etc.

I do fly but only because it's pretty much the only way I can get to my family across the world. I do this about once a year and spend a few months there whenever I go.

So this is exactly what has been on my mind of late: why bother compromising your own quality of life at all, if it won't make any real difference?

[xapata]

> why bother

Ethics. Which means I'm hypocritical right now.