[urahara]

Why do you think that women who forced to constantly experience all kinds of problems and overload because of their gender, should be concerned about well being of groups and institutions (that tend to force them into these problems) at the expense of their own safety? Maybe you imply some ideal situation in which it is totally safe for an average woman to communicate openly like you suggest, but how often is it really the case given a huge problem of sexism we are discussing here and multiple evidence of which you were just presented?

[internetman55]

Agree Let's face facts, it's stupid to care for some random company morally in that case. And let's face some more facts, even if you don't believe in morals or agree with that one, it's way more important at the societal level for women to be able to have children then for some rando company to be guaranteed a profit

[TomMarius]

That "rando company" you're talking about is most probably an ordinary citizen just like you (most businesses are sole entrepreneurs and SMBs) and that "profit" is their living, they pay their food, shelter and healthcare for their kids and themselves with that. How would you feel like if someone said these things about women? Are you aware there are woman business owners as well and how would you feel if a woman-owned small business would go under because of this; what if the woman owner is pregnant and/or recently had a child and/or is single mother? Do you realize that you're literally surrounded by businesspeople on this site - do you think they're something less? How did you get the impression that businesses are not primarily humans? How can you say these awful things about others?

There of course are some "faceless corporations", I agree, but I'm not talking about these - the cost of an employee going on a leave is a fraction of their monthly budget. But most of businesses are small and can get into serious trouble easily.

And lastly, no one is talking about guaranteeing a profit at all.

[austincheney]

Morals and opinions aren't facts. Your correlation of these works doesn't make sense.

[TomMarius]

Well as I said in another comment, I live in Europe, so it's definitely very different here.

I have several points. Let's not blame organizations for the actions of individuals (given that the organization properly deals with said individual). Let's not blame the whole industry or the whole society for the actions of individuals. If something happened to me at a conference, I won't blame my manager who is not connected to the individual that did it in any way for that - and I won't make them suffer because of that.

Of course there might be a reason to not communicate that and that's completely alright, it's business after all, but let's not make it a default choice, please - let's stay human and be nice to each other.

[urahara]

It is sad to see that even after many good explanations by other users you're in complete denial of facts that 1) normally it is dangerous for women to report openly 2) they have right to not do so 3) they are not responsible for companies's mismanagement of this possibility 4) given all this, what matters significantly more here is a woman's safety and not awareness of a company.

[TomMarius]

It is sad that after so many good explanations by me you're in complete denial of facts that

1) normally it isn't (in Europe at least), but I said that I definitely can see situations when it is (in Europe as well as elsewhere) and I never suggested nor said that there aren't any such situations or that it's negligible

2) I'm not talking about them not having a right to do so nor I'm suggesting they shouldn't; I'm saying that using this right should be properly considered before doing so instead of taking it as a default

3) Most companies (again, in Europe, but I'm pretty sure that in the USA as well) don't have any way to do anything about this mismanagement, most companies are small businesses that don't have enough money for that. Not telling them information like this will mean that they will prefer men or risk going under (because the risk of being catched illegally preferring men could be smaller than that). Do you realise that this directly contributes to pay inequality because hiring woman is more riskful than hiring a man (and no, the risk is not the maternal leave itself, the risk lies in being in a situation that you couldn't properly plan for beforehand)?

4) the business is owned by people, possibly women with exactly the same issues as well, but you suggest they don't have the same rights for safety?

I'm sorry to be rude, but did you read what I wrote? Maybe do it again, more carefully? You sound like I suggest depriving women of that right, but I explicitly said that this is not something I want to suggest.

Seems like people completely forgot that having millions of dollars in investments is not common.

[TomMarius]

> Seems like people completely forgot that having millions of dollars in investments is not common.

The average business in the Czech Republic makes $900 in profit per month.

[urahara]

There are no countries where the problem of sexism is solved. Maybe it is better in Europe, but it still exists everywhere and still huge. And in the most countries it is times worse. It is reasonable to protect oneself from that behavior with all legal means and it would be strange to expect anything else of a person facing high probability of being discriminated against.

[IntronExon]

Well as I said in another comment, I live in Europe, so it's definitely very different here.

As a growing number have pointed out in response to that claim, no... no it isn’t.