[bb88]

The problem is that if you don't hold China accountable, it gives them the green light to do even worse things.

[dlwdlw]

You should look more into the history of the US as well as international opinions. The US isn't a paragon of virtue, it is only able to sell its own narrative of events because of its economic and cultural weight.

Even the belief that the rich/powerful mist have some sort of virtue is only one perspective that conveniently allows the US the moral high ground.

No country, no person, no thing is perfect. All evil comes from things that pretend to be and act as if they were. The humans that pretend to or want to be gods inevitably are the one who dehumanize others and so become demons.

[bb88]

I'm fully aware of the failures of US Foreign Policy.

But when you argue about a topic that affects the security of the US, there really is no such thing as "moral high ground".

Edited to add:

I believe China holds that true as well when discussing the security of China, considering the number of spies that are in the US.

[baursak]

> But when you argue about a topic that affects the security of the US, there really is no such thing as "moral high ground".

So all your concerns boil down to us-vs-them tribalism?

[natalyarostova]

Classifying something as tribalism doesn't make it not an important or real factor to be acted upon. Although I think the term nationalism is more pointed. I live in the US. My family lives in the US, and my well-being is attached to the success of the US.

I'm not arbitrarily in favor of everything the US does, but on the margin, I am in favor of policies that optimize this country's success.