[jopsen]

Also, I feel like we've been in a trap where it's been politically impossible to make decent public transit, because there are so many car owners.

With fewer car owners it might be possible to invest in public transit. For busses to really work in SF the city would have to close entire streets off from normal traffic and install traffic signals coupled with busses.

Public transit would work, if we invested sufficiently. As in completely independent lanes, and no stopping due to traffic.

[flukus]

Car owners should be enthusiastic about public transport and the amount of traffic it removes from roads. What we need to fix is the belief that more roads will ever fix traffic congestion, it only makes it worse.

[jopsen]

They should be... But we know we can't convince car owners to give up a lane or just street parking, for better public transit..

[andromeduck]

A less fragmented federation would go a long way too. The fact that there's no real way to get an all zones month pass or 2-3 city bus pass and how a lot of busses routes stop just short of what would be useful due to some arbitrary city boundary is just absolutely ridiculous.