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by s1dechnl 3034 days ago
> From what I gather from your comment above and another one, the AGI you talk about does not include general intent or free will to act differently from what its creators anticipate.

It actually does and its actually the nature of my work. That being said, I still have a high fidelity of control near complete absolution. I can still set immutable laws/restrictions and prevent undesired behavior.

> I believe a genuine AGI can behave outside of our predictions in multiple ways, unless we truly solve the problem of constraining its will to a range that is acceptable to us.

It sure can. However, it cannot act beyond laws/restrictions that I set forth and indeed my control functionality centers on very deep percepts. If you have a crappy architecture/limited understanding, you end up with an overly complex, flawed, and limited control algorithm... One that can be even more complex than the underlying system it attempts to control. This is evident in : Weak AI. It is not the case in AGI at least not in my work.

> I do not believe anyone has solved that

No one in their right mind has published it... As it's valuable IP and has substantial power [which is why it shouldn't be publicly disclosed].

> I agree that time is required but an AGI can multiply itself and collect all requisite information from the world quite quickly.

Incorrect. It cannot do so unless its creator has allowed for it to do so. In the case of it being allowed, what hardware does it migrate to? It needs to be provided by its creator(s). Hardware takeover? Sorry, this is again sci-fi fantasy. Are you able to take over someone else's body/brain in totality? No. Same rule applies here. Let the fantasy/fear go away. There is no grounding. It's a position pushed by people hoping to falsely profit/gain attention/get article clicks...

> There is so much available to learn just from the Internet if it knows how to learn independently like humans do. Computational resources might be a bottleneck but presumably a human-level AGI can at least do online work at a minimum wage (e.g. translating documents, simple accounting, ...).

Sure. What's the problem with this? Its progress can be overseen, audited, and/or halted at will. So what's the issue here?

> It can parallelly execute many 'brains' to accomplish more work to acquire more resources, to do more work profitably....

You're drifting back into the flawed fear/uncertain/doubt armageddon scenario. It cannot execute on anything other than the hardware I consign it to just like you. If I decide to scale it, it's what I decided. At any given point in time I can halt it or power it down... Just like any program/computational system today. So, what's the issue here?

> Humans are limited by 24 hours a day. An AGI can over a fairly short amount of time (months) accumulate sufficient resources to make thousands or millions of its copies perhaps with variations to specialize for different kinds of work. Over time, it should gain experience to perform more and more highly-valued work as well.

Repeating the same flawed scenario doesn't make it true. See answer above.

> A smart AGI can form alliance and share benefits with inside players and execute any cunning strategies not available to humans who at least need to take into account law enforcement. There are many other advantages for an AGI over human organizations (some of which I mentioned above).

All of what you mentioned above was debunked. If you have a more sound proposal for how this could occur, I'm all ears. Alliances can't occur without human intervention. None of these systems are connected and there is no sound argument for 'viral' takeover. Your scenarios are flawed and you've been infected by the : fear/uncertainty/doubt propagandist who structure ventures to take advantage of the wallets/attention/mind share of people who buy into this nonsense. Focus your attention on the problem of intelligence [first]. Until you grasp a sound understanding of it, all of this theoretical hand waving is all for not especially as its not grounded in anything possible in the real-world. Put your engineering hat on if one is avail. Less theory and more practical grounding. Life isn't a fantasy level dystopian sci-fi movie and its sad that certain people have created this image so as to profit. Talk about [cunning strategies] [manipulation]...

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Your replies are probably valid for your system. I specifically noted above that what I describe is about an AGI that some other groups may develop to be a more free, less controlled system that allows it to improve faster and execute more efficiently.

If an AGI can indeed learn and act at the human level or above, there are reasons to believe that a more free variety will improve faster and become more powerful than a less free one. That is a big incentive for its creators to let go of some control. The question is how much control they would retain and whether that would be sufficient.

Firstly, there are fundamental limits that all things are subject to in this universe. When you push towards these limits, you discover this...

Developing AGI pushes certain limits. There aren't many who have this capability as it requires a vast range of understanding/know-how across an incredible number of domains and into ones that have yet to be discovered. There are multiple disjoint leaps and barriers. In order to make and surmount them, you yourself are subject to certain considerations/restrictions. I resolving these, you end up w/ a less free and more controlled system.

> improve faster and execute more efficiently.

This occurs with order not chaos

> If an AGI can indeed learn and act at the human level or above, there is reason to believe that a more free variety will improve faster and become more powerful than a less free one.

There is no reasoning to suggest this... quite the opposite actually. Also, you're mistaking the capacity for learning with the successful execution of learning. Chaos leads to destruction not boundless construction. That being said, there is order to all things.

> That is a big incentive for its creators to let go of some control. The question is how much control they would retain and whether that would be sufficient.

There isn't any magic going on... You really need to convince yourself of this. You're speaking of this technology as if it gets booted up today and eclipses all human intelligence. It doesn't occur that way. A human being will have to teach it and guide it and therein lies the same control you have today. Of course, there are further steps because you have the capability to see exactly what's going on inside. You'll really have a hard time establishing a case for doomsday scenarios. Also, a destructive/chaotic individual is necessarily limited by their own flaws such that they wouldn't be able to conceive of the underpinning necessary to develop AGI. So, I hate to tell you this but the hollywood image of such people is wrong...

I never said even once that an AGI will become human-level smart/mature in an instant. Another point: freedom != chaos.

The AI you develop can help fact check those (if it can understand natural language well as general intelligence should be able to). Please let us know when it can read and participate in our discussion.