[Torai]

Move out. US is big.

You want to have house affordability when sharing a city with people that make money from house price speculation and, maybe, have some influence of city's politics?

Then propose to regulate house prices. Establish some maximum. Oh, but you don't like it cause it would go against "free market rules"? Then stop moaning. In a free market the most powerful dominate.

So give up on that battle and move out.

[nostrademons]

This is already happening - there's significant outflow from the Bay Area to other relatively progressive cities like Seattle, Portland, Boulder/Denver, Asheville NC, Austin, etc. In many cases they've turned those cities even more progressive in the process. My very conservative aunt in Portland complains about all the Californians moving in with their liberal politics. Colorado was a Republican-leaning swing state when I was in college, but it's turned quite Democratic lately.

They're replaced by domestic migrants from the Midwest, South, and farm belt, and by international immigrants from China, Taiwan, India, Vietnam, the Middle East, and many other countries. Interestingly, this "Bay Area conveyor belt" is perhaps the best thing that could happen for progressive politics, as many people newly arrived in the Bay Area come from very conservative regions, they often pick up more liberal values in the area (this is helped by selection bias - typically you don't pack up and move to a whole new city unless you are somewhat open to new experiences), and then they move on to other areas that were previously swing states.

[finnthehuman]

>In many cases they've turned those cities even more progressive in the process

Be careful what you wish for, I remember a saying from when I lived in Vermont: "They moved here because they like it better than Connecticut, now they're trying to turn Vermont into Connecticut."

Don't blame that attitude on the right - they'd just call them Carpetbaggers. This is the kind of thing our non-democrat left would say (Even then-mayor Sanders, but I can't find the youtube clip of it right now because I don't want to listen to a bunch of hours-long interviews).

Unless the only thing important to you is turning the state from red to blue, all this does is poison local politics.

>"Bay Area conveyor belt" is perhaps the best thing that could happen for progressive politics, as many people newly arrived in the Bay Area come from very conservative regions, they often pick up more liberal values in the area

If I wanted the left to continue shooting themselves in the foot, I would be championing this too.

You're describing the same process as when kids from a strongly-conservative upbringing come to UVM and swing left. They are inevitability full of terrible ideas, naïve idealism and need years to mellow out into anything resembling a tenable political perspective. They're not necessarily dummies, but their ideas haven't been shaped by debate or tested against reality.

[behindmyscreen]

Well, we have that process on both ends of the political spectrum.

[Torai]

Very informative. Thank you.