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by candiodari 3035 days ago
> Fascism is about dominance. About being a part of the group to which the other is subordinate.

This is utterly correct.

> Which is something that appeals to people who are deeply bitter, delight in suffering (of their own or others), or lack a sense of self-identity.

This is absurd, and does not follow from the first part.

Here's the truth (and you do get this from the article) : anyone who rises a lot in the world, or has that as an ambition, in either popularity or money, would "go nazi". That is very different from actively persecuting people, and that should be clearly understood.

I feel like dropping another 10 points on this site, so may I just make the point. Someone who was born a man (or woman) of some privilege (not necessarily much, but some) and does not really seek to advance, someone who gets his life pre-planned for them, and follows the plan. "Dad was a doctor, and I will be too". Those are the people that do not go Nazi, that, no matter what, will never join.

In other words : rich republicans would be the bastion against Nazism. They would be the people that, no matter what efforts are done, cannot be converted. Doctor families. Lawyer "dynasties".

The Bay Area ... would be a hotbed of Nazism in America. No doubt about it. Nazism has everything that SF wants : loads of young people. Support from universities and "follows science" (read the newspapers from the time). It sings the praises of the poor, gives a clear reason for the poor getting repressed (rich jewish bankers), Nazism hates the status-quo and wants to change it at all costs (even though most people don't nearly realize just how big those costs were going to get. Please keep that thoroughly in mind before judging people).

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Charlottesville. A rich Republican president says 'Some Very Fine People on Both Sides' about people who self described themselves as Nazis and chanted Nazi slogans. Yes many other Republicans distanced themselves, but nevertheless he has not poisoned the well too much for them, because he's still useful otherwise.

Birtherism to me is Nazism. It is his original sin entering the political scene, and the party did not do anywhere near enough to repudiate it. The passivity was tacit acceptance of it. That's not a bastion.

> This is absurd, and does not follow from the first part.

It doesn't have to follow from the first part (I can imagine several things it could precede from), but it is entirely credible that bitterness/resentfulness might go hand-in-hand with a desire to dominate. If you've been told long enough that you've gotten the short end of the stick, if you feel you've been looked down on, not given enough respect, or even if you're doing quite well for yourself, but of course you've earned it, and there are all kinds of hangers-on and disgusting and lazy people who are still somehow getting a piece of your labors... it's quite plausible that you'd love nothing more than either (a) to be in a position of dominance over your oppressors (real or imagined) or (b) watch someone else who is in such a position really give it to 'em good.

> rich republicans would be the bastion against Nazism. They would be the people that, no matter what efforts are done, cannot be converted. Doctor families. Lawyer "dynasties".

Presumably engineers in that professional class as well.

Amazing that nazi Germany was able to do as much as it did without the help of doctors and engineers and other respectable and conscientious members with a place society. Almost recommends nazism as a philosophy if they were able to basically conquer Europe primarily with the poor, young, faux-science disrupters and others who had no stake in the status quo.

Yeah, this article was very "See if you're a good person like me you'd never go nazi".

If the SJW's taught me anything it's that the people loudest yelling that they're the good people would be the first people to go nazi. It wouldn't be the same nazi's nowadays - their uniforms would be different, their slogans would be different, the group they scapegoat all their problems on would be different.

But they'd still be plowing through imprisoning and killing people who fit into their nearly arbitrary category not caring what kind of people they actually are because "their group is the reason why bad things happen!".

They'd simply go on their facebook feed, be told who they should hate this week, and gleefully post about how they're being put in camps to slowly die, all the while convinced they were doing the right moral thing.