[Johnny555]

I found myself with brogrammers that had 0 engineering style hobbies

What is an "engineering style hobby"? I work in the SF Bay Area, and the most popular hobby of my coworkers is "parent".

[vin7]

You can afford Thai children? Lucky!!

[dang]

Can you please read https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and only post civil, substantive comments to HN? We'd appreciate it.